I did challenge a lib a while back on the effects of liberal policy.
She was getting all morally superior about helping the poor, etc.
I asked her what she thought of the fact that all that “help” has succeeded in totally destroying the black family structure.
You would have thought I’d physically slapped her from her reaction. In a way, I did - I kicked the legs out from under her tenuous grasp on righteousness.
That's about the effect of shaking them to reality. For all their moral superiority, they sure have made things much better./s