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To: American in Israel

Read God’s commandments to the Jews on how they were to treat the Canaanites. They were instructed to do exactly what Hitler did to the Jews in the Holocaust.

Kill all males, reserving the women for captivity. In some cases they were instructed to kill all humans, including women and children, and in a few all living things, including the animals.

The guy had a reasonably decent point to argue from, though he structured it poorly.

For one thing, he questions the validity of the Torah as being from God, whereas traditional Muslim teaching has always held that both the Old and New Testaments are inspired, though of lesser value than the Koran, and that they are possibly corrupted.

IOW, the Mormon explanation.


5 posted on 10/21/2012 8:29:29 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Should have pointed out that the guy’s claim that Hitler did what he did because he believed in the Torah is idiotic.


6 posted on 10/21/2012 8:30:46 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

There are a couple of problems with your statement. First, Hitler was nominally a Christian. And if Hitler was the least bit of a Christian he would believe in the new covenant.

Second, God did not command Hitler to kill the Jews.

Lastly, Muslims worship a false god. They have no God to be commanded to do anything. All Muslims are damned to hell. God’s will is done on heaven and earth. Most Muslims in the world today live in a hell on earth, and deservedly so.


9 posted on 10/21/2012 9:01:35 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The truth hurts)
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To: Sherman Logan
Yeah, God does have a thing about people who burn their first born children alive to sacrifice to an Idol. He also hates it when people are murderers and oppress the poor.

Now that IS the point of the ‘wipe them out, they are beyond redemption’. Perhaps if you were totally evil, you could hate the righteous and want to ‘wipe them out, they are beyond corruption’ but that still would be a corruption of the Torah. A complete 180 mirror image is still backwards from reality.

My point is, to excuse the Holocaust, the murder of the innocent by a madman, by trying to mirror the command to destroy evil to protect the innocent and completely ignore all the framework of the evil and why it is so corrupting of an influence is PURE evil at work. By the same logic a woman who fights being raped is a violent person and should be punished. Evil to the core.

And for your information I read the Torah every year, and the Tanach and the New Testament. Have read, studied and tried to understand the Law of God for years, every day of the year.

Might I suggest you go back and read the Torah yourself, this time starting at the beginning and at least go through till the Psalms. It is real hard to understand what is going on in any book by picking a chapter or couple of paragraphs out of the middle and writing a book report on them. God is a very complex guy, He deserves a decent in context reading.

The reading on the side fills in some of the practices of the Canaanite culture, such as the statue of Moloch, a hollow bronze Idol of a human form with a bulls head 10 foot tall that was filled with wood and burned till it glowed red. Then people would throw their first born baby into its arms to watch it sizzle.

To put it in a more modern context, I went to the museum and saw an old Cannanite temple site. The center altar stone had a cresent moon on its back, just like the ones on top of all the Mosques.

The Israelites failed to complete the job... They’re back! Only now, they just wrap their children with explosives. I wish the Israelites had the heart to complete the job back then, for the incredible amount of suffering caused by the Canaanite descendants throughout history. They have wiped out the Persian Culture, Caused the Dark Ages, wipe out the Egyptians and many other cultures. It seems, strangly enough, that God was right! Funny thing, always seems to work out that way in the end.

14 posted on 10/21/2012 10:13:31 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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