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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
The point is that it's not rendered as a letter at all.

Upon rendering, everything is an image.

For whatever reason (we'd have to see whatever they scanned to know why),

Great plan! I'm all for it. Why haven't we seen the original?

it failed to recogize the 'R' as a letter and so treated it as part of the background image.

Yeah, I got the theory, i'm just suspicious of it's plausibility.

It's not a coincidence that its pixels are the same size as the green ones.

That observation is not helping your argument at all. The Green Background hash pattern is known not to be normal on Hawaiian birth certificates of that era. It shouldn't be in the background at all, let alone have a typewritten "R" on top of it.

Are you saying that if I printed the posted birth certificate PDF, the 'R' and the other letters would all look the same?

i'm saying they will all be printed in the same resolution. The pixel size will translate to printer dots per inch. Printers do not have different sized pixels. They have one size, and the characters will be printed with that size, and they will be represented within the bit depth characteristics of the printer. If it isn't clear to you what i'm saying then just skip it. It's not important.

Well, his original certificate, for one. I forget whether you're one of the people who think there's no original Hawaiian certificate at all. But even if there isn't, "BAR" wouldn't be a hard combination to find (Barbara, Barry, Barney).

I firmly believe he has some sort of birth certificate document from 1961. I suspect it is not a normal one. As for "Bar" being easy to find, to find it you must open a birth certificate file possessing that same type font with such a name in it. It may or may not be convenient to find it and open it. It may be more convenient to just grab a couple of bits from documents already on your desk, and already using the correct type font.

This is in an area where solid predictions as to what someone else will do cannot be made. It could be done one way or the other, but there is no evidence that all people will always do it the same way.

47 posted on 09/28/2012 1:03:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Upon rendering, everything is an image.

Well, yes and no. I'm a little confused now by exactly what you mean by "render." On screen or when printed, everything is ultimately just an arrangement of dots. But as I'm sure you know, with a vector graphic the computer "knows" what shape it's drawing. (Can I say "knows" metaphorically without an objection that a computer doesn't really know anything?) Similarly, software trying to do OCR "knows" where the text is and in some circumstances creates a different image for it, aka renders it differently.

Why haven't we seen the original?

They haven't told me any more than they've told you. :)

50 posted on 09/28/2012 3:17:12 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: DiogenesLamp; Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

“That observation is not helping your argument at all. The Green Background hash pattern is known not to be normal on Hawaiian birth certificates of that era. It shouldn’t be in the background at all, let alone have a typewritten “R” on top of it.”

If they scan the paper copy of the BC into a computer at the DOH and print that onto green security paper, or if they just put the book containing the BC on top of the copier and print that on to green security paper, won’t the security paper’s pattern appear to have an “R” on it?


52 posted on 09/28/2012 6:53:53 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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