Posted on 11/28/2011 9:18:01 PM PST by Kevmo
Rossi can always develop a kit for Lego blocks where with a battery connected by wires to his special elements makes steam come out of Lego built smoke stacks or out of car exhausts.
What is so strange about this is that this machine is so damn simple it can be examined in a day. What are we talking about here? Stop with the patent nonsense.
Either it doesn’t work or it is not performing up to expectations because this would be too easy for an MIT crew to get to the bottom of it. Or send the CIA.
There is too much talking about this and not enough verification. This delay tells me it’s not real. Time is wasting.
This delay tells me it’s not real.
***Argument from silence, classic fallacy.
Rossi can always develop a kit for Lego blocks where with a battery connected by wires to his special elements makes steam come out of Lego built smoke stacks or out of car exhausts.
***Put yourself in the position of Levi, who was a skeptic looking out to make sure Unibo wasn’t getting caught in a fraud. If he saw the equivalent of Lego blocks, he would have said so.
Unless Levi has his price and Rossi is paying it. Sterling Allan did post that Levi is an employee of Rossi's company.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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Sometimes your Scam Spam contains a bit of wisdom.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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It's a scam being hotly promoted on the Internet. Rossi hasn't published a single real scientific paper. The scientific circles aren't even bothering with it.
Wanting the thing to run for 5-6 hours free from outside generators supplying more power than the e-cat is outputting is not asking for perfection.
The thing was supposed to run 1 MW but Rossi said there was a problem and it could only do about half that. The generators were connected to it all the time outputting 500 KW and the e-cat put out about 480 KW.
That’s not perfection. That is not convincing proof by any stretch.
And keep in mind I would love to see something like an e-cat work. To date according to the descriptions of the tests conducted and released, I don’t believe this has been proven.
Concur -- That it ain't! The herd of e-Cats did not do as well as would have been projected from the best single e-Cat run.
If each e-Cat has its own will like this, and it looks like e-Cats can't be reused so it's not just a matter of finding "good" ones, then herds of e-Cats will continue to disappoint, as will most individual e-Cats.
I do not want to see this made a Federal project, and it is beginning to look to me like yes, kevmo is a shill for it, argufying even the most logical points I've made. That sort of advocacy would be beyond the pale for FR which is why I am flagging Jim Rob.
Have you ever had IP stolen?? I have....it's damned frustrating. So the issue is not "nonsense", but very real.
(Note: I addressed JohnnyB because I mention links he has provided in previous posts.)
Let's see.
1. Hot fusion is known to work. Every day, everyone who is not visually impaired can see a huge hot fusion reactor up in the sky. The challenge is not to "prove" a well-known physical process, but to contain it so that it can be used as a viable energy source on earth.
2. Cold fusion has not been convincingly demonstrated, not by bona fide scientists, and certainly not by Rossi. If we are to believe that Rossi somehow stumbled upon cold fusion in his garage (and was able to recognize the process despite his lack of any scientific training), the process would be simple enough that we'd see it spontaneously occurring. A lightning strike would be sufficient to initiate the process. We have yet to see cold fusion occur under natural conditions.
3. If Rossi had a genuine process, it would be a simple matter to allow independent investigators demonstrate it without Rossi being anywhere near the demonstration. There are really only a few measurements that need to be made to demonstrate actual cold fusion. Independent investigators put a measured amount of defined (with regard to isotopic composition, etc.) starting material in. They initiate the reaction, carefully measuring all inputs/outputs of the device. They analyze the ending material and show that its isotopic composition is consistent with that expected if cold fusion were taking place. The compositions of the input and output materials should closely match the theoretical equations that anyone with a basic knowledge of chemistry and a paper and pencil can generate.
The failure of Rossi to perform any such analysis, much less to allow his eCat out of his sight in order for such tests to be done independently, is convincing evidence that such tests cannot be made. And the only reason for such tests to be impossible is that the eCat consists of nothing more than shipping containers and some other supplies picked up in various places and cobbled together to look impressive. And, even at that, Rossi doesn't do such a great job. At least some of the conmen in the past (thanks to JohnnyB for linking their stories) showed a bit of artistic flair when constructive their sham devices.
I do not want to see this made a Federal project, and it is beginning to look to me like yes, kevmo is a shill for it, argufying even the most logical points I've made. That sort of advocacy would be beyond the pale for FR which is why I am flagging Jim Rob.
You are making accusations against another member for posting on a PING list. Your obnoxious squatting on every thread should be more of an issue than Kevno posting information that some people ARE interested in following.
Not true. There is ZERO evidence that the generator was supplying more than the power needed to run pumps and auxiliary devices during the self-sustain mode period. This is TOTALLY speculation from the skeptic crowd.
"The thing was supposed to run 1 MW but Rossi said there was a problem and it could only do about half that. The generators were connected to it all the time outputting 500 KW and the e-cat put out about 480 KW."
Also incorrect. The unit "did" run at 1 MW in "power modulated mode" exactly as specified. When switched to "self-sustained mode", instabilities in the system required reduction to the stated 480KW.
"And keep in mind I would love to see something like an e-cat work. To date according to the descriptions of the tests conducted and released, I don’t believe this has been proven."
If you only read the speculations of the skeptics, you'll end up with that picture.
You can sign advisors up to non-disclosure agreements, for 20 years, and prevent them from using the technology for their own commercial gain. This is done all the time. Many new technologies are analyzed prior to receiving a patent. So this is a red herring, and the fact that the patent office does not issue cold fusion patents means these ECAT Cats will have to do something a little more creative.
This is an easy problem to get around. The IP argument is a joke. It is making energy from nothing which is their biggest hurdle.
I am not so sure to say “cold fusion” is not occurring anywhere. The Pons Fleischmann experiment has been duplicated over 14,000 times, yet it is not understood, nor is it predictable and commercial. There is something happening and people are working on it. Sixty Minutes did the a show on an Israeli company that has made strides in the field.
It may come to nothing, but there needs to be more scientific work done to explain it.
Unless, of course, the "non-disclosure/non-use" party's lawyer finds a loophole. If you believe that such agreements are "air-tight", then more fool you. We had a VERY good lawyer write it. The opposing attorney STILL found a way around.
So this is a red herring, and the fact that the patent office does not issue cold fusion patents means these ECAT Cats will have to do something a little more creative.
Which is precisely what Rossi is doing. It's called "trade secret".
"This is an easy problem to get around. The IP argument is a joke.
Still can't agree with that. My direct experience says otherwise. We HAD an issued patent, and non-disclosure/non-use, and our "partner" STILL managed to weasel around both.
"It is making energy from nothing which is their biggest hurdle."
Bit of prejudice there??? I don't think any of the CF/LENR/LANR researchers consider their work "making energy from nothing".
There is even a DIY site that says they use copper, iron, nickel, some metal hydrides plus a frequency generator and have a working device.
Rossi better hurry those sales along, that heat he feels ain't no e-cat.
"Sorry, the page you were looking for in the blog Next Big Future does not exist."
ROTFLMAO!
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