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To: Swordmaker
I said earlier that I stand corrected. I admit I did not know the exact wording of the phrase, but I did know its origins. Also, in modern times, "hoist" has a radically different meaning than what you suggest. "Hoise" is not even in the current lexicon.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hoist

3. Archaic . a pt. and pp. of hoise.

Notice the term "archaic." If you're using a word in a manner that hasn't been relevant for 400 years you aren't exactly able to criticize those who misunderstand. I guess that explains your use of "pre-eminent" rather than "preeminent" - you're like 150 years old. In any case, Shakespeare is still garbage even if you did break bread with him.

By the way, I'm sure I make more grammatical errors than you do. I often think faster than I type. I do my best not to misplace commas and skip words but I do that occasionally as well. Are you suggesting I have a habit of correcting grammatical errors? There is no evidence to support that and one attempt does not change that.

While I was initially trolling in this thread and I apologize for that, I have made salient points that have not (and cannot be, for that matter) denied. I again apologize for the fact that most don't have anything to do with this thread. Still, though, that doesn't make them any less correct.
100 posted on 01/11/2011 1:23:24 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: flintsilver7; antiRepublicrat; dayglored; ReignOfError
Again, you are attempting to correct my usage. First of all, pre-eminent or preeminent—either spelling is acceptable. When adding the prefix "pre" results in a double "ee" a hyphen is acceptable. You might try getting yourself a copy of the Oxford Dictionary of the English language, the ultimate arbiter of the language... and what is proper or not proper... not an on-line popular, abridged dictionary.

The dictionary built into the OS in the Mac, the Oxford Dictionary of American English, a subset of the OED, accepts both spellings as correct.

Secondly, the usage of "hoist on his own petard" has become a usage in and of it's own right as a phrase, not requiring worrying about archaic roots or verb tenses. Ignorant people use "hoisted" and sound ignorant when they use it. I do not believe you knew the source of the saying. Nor does anyone else here, especially given your extreme minority opinion of Shakespeare. Someone with that opinion is hardly aware of the hundreds if not thousands of aphorisms attributed to him. You are dancing again, and as I have said, you do not do it well.

While I was initially trolling in this thread and I apologize for that, I have made salient points that have not (and cannot be, for that matter) denied. I again apologize for the fact that most don't have anything to do with this thread. Still, though, that doesn't make them any less correct.

Please. Name some of the things you've said that are more correct. I'd like an opportunity to show you how wrong you might be about them... or, just possible, agree with you. Mostly, you've put up myths and canards and expected them to stand as truths... and get upset when people dispute your claims.

104 posted on 01/11/2011 4:48:47 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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