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To: conimbricenses

Why would one bother to argue with you since you tend to make up a claim then refute it?

Jefferson had little impact on the Constitution and Madison was closer to Hamilton in thought than he was J when the Constitution was being created. I have no doubt he would not have supported it since his later statements essentially destroy it. Judicial independence? Naah, better the mob decide what justice is. J. and his toadies in Congress actually prevented the US Supreme Court from sitting for a year and a half.

The Va. and KY. Resolutions would mean there was no law of the land. His view that each branch of government decide what it believes the constitution says is idiotic in the extreme and would guarantee chaos.

He didn’t even believe the Constitution allowed the Louisiana Purchase. He hated the military and did all he could to weaken and destroy it. He did not want American ships to carry trade goods or a Navy to protect them believing in gunboats rather than frigates.

Thank God that Washington and Hamilton set the course for American strength and growth. Had J been the first president I doubt the nation would have survived at all.


526 posted on 08/11/2010 1:18:14 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob
Jefferson had little impact on the Constitution

Really? Because he was sending Madison letters advising him what to include throughout the convention. Many of Jefferson's ideas were directly incorporated into the document by Madison.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch8s11.html

Furthermore, your claim that Madison was following Hamilton instead is contradicted by Hamilton's own activities at the convention, the thrust of which consisted of a widely ridiculed and dismissed pitch for a de facto monarchy followed by a couple of months of sitting there as New York's lone impotent delegate after Yates and Lansing left. Hamilton definitely became an advocate of the Constitution that was adopted, but its design was very different from the one he himself wanted and much closer to that put forth by the Virginia Plan.

The Va. and KY. Resolutions would mean there was no law of the land.

As opposed to the alternative in which newspaper publishers were being rounded up and jailed en masse for writing unfavorable opinions about John Adams. Some "rule of law" that is!

He didn’t even believe the Constitution allowed the Louisiana Purchase.

Jefferson was probably wrong about that. The Louisiana Purchase was done by a senate ratified treaty, so it's constitutionality is of little doubt.

530 posted on 08/11/2010 1:31:43 PM PDT by conimbricenses (Red means run son, numbers add up to nothing.)
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