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Targeting Lost Causers
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck

My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: academia; confederacy; damnyankees; dixie; dunmoresproclamation; history; lincolnwasgreatest; neoconfeds; notthisagain; southern; southwasright
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To: rockrr
you are UNABLE to make a point, inasmuch as you are a BIGOT & an EMPTY-head & NOTHING more than that.

IF you had one ounce of common decency, you would APOLOGIZE to everyone for being a VULGAR-talking BIGOT & RESIGN from FR.

fyi, you make me GAG, every time i see one of your STUPID/PREJUDICED posts.

free dixie,sw

1,901 posted on 08/10/2009 8:11:37 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: BroJoeK
Forts Chadbourne and Belknap were in western Texas, near Abilene. No record of "Old Fort Kearney." In Texas all the Federal forts were surrendered relatively peacefully.

Old Fort Kearney wasn't in Texas. Here is a record of Old Fort Kearney being taken and retaken from an 1861 New York Times article. [Link] This is apparently the same incident I reported on above from a different newspaper.

In San Antonio, in April 1861, US Army officers were treated as POWs.

Texas militia units surrounded and outnumbered the Federal troops in San Antonio. The Federal troops were allowed to take their weapons and horses and some supplies to the Gulf coast where ships started loading them up for the trip back to the Union. Some ships or a ship departed with a portion of the Federal troops and later arrived in New York (I believe it was New York). While this was loading of Federal troops was underway on the Texas Gulf coast, Lincoln sent his armed fleet to Charleston, and the bombardment of Fort Sumter occurred. At this point war was underway, and it made no sense to the Texans to let the Federal troops leave simply to have them come back as invaders. So the remaining Federal troops were captured and given paroles that they agreed to that stated that they would not fight against the Confederacy until exchanged.

As near as I can remember off the top of my head this morning, that is what happened. I don't remember if any of the federal troops were held for a long time. Here is one Link that provides links to other Texas documents of the time including the parole.

There were some tense negotiations in San Antonio and Brownsville over the surrender of federal installations there. One old newspaper report said that Sam Houston was working behind the scene to not have the war start in Texas.

1,902 posted on 08/10/2009 8:52:59 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: BroJoeK
Ah, one of the links on that page of links I just posted refers to a prisoner kept by the Confederates for a long time. See Link. I haven't read it. Maybe later when I get time. Don't know whether it was one soldier or a group of soldiers.
1,903 posted on 08/10/2009 9:03:49 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: stand watie

No one is talking to you or wants what passes for your opinion.

Sit down and shut up fool...


1,904 posted on 08/10/2009 9:11:16 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
laughing AT you, VULGAR-talking BIGOT.

you are MORALLY UNFIT to be a FReeper.

free dixie,sw

1,905 posted on 08/10/2009 9:13:25 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: rockrr
you are evidently too STUPID to HAVE a knowledgeable opinion on ANY subject. (except perhaps on how to be a PREJUDICED, VULGAR-talking IDIOT. - you give everyone "instruction on" being a hate-FILLED FOOL every time you post.)

LEAVE FR & head over to DAILY KOOKS where BIGOTS/HATERS/NITWITS are welcome.

free dixie,sw

1,906 posted on 08/10/2009 9:17:48 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie

And you are morally unfit to walk the planet. BFD Squat2pee...


1,907 posted on 08/10/2009 9:53:27 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: BroJoeK

I do not see anything in your last post to me worth any commentary.

Best regards.


1,908 posted on 08/10/2009 1:31:20 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: BroJoeK
Ditto on this post. You can do a google search and find the source you asked for.
1,909 posted on 08/10/2009 1:33:13 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Non-Sequitur
The first problem in your post is that in 1863 the government did not receive $100 million in tariff collections. So the premise of your question is invalid.

Next, when you have the correct data on tariff collections by year, we can discuss this further.

1,910 posted on 08/10/2009 1:35:28 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Non-Sequitur
Many of them were. What about the consumers in Canton, Altoona, Reading, Saginaw, or Lansing?
1,911 posted on 08/10/2009 1:39:42 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Non-Sequitur
Why are you asking Why go through the expense of landing, paying tariffs, reloading, and shipping south? Why not take them there directly? when you already know the answer is that some goods were direct shipped and some not.
1,912 posted on 08/10/2009 1:44:00 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge
The first problem in your post is that in 1863 the government did not receive $100 million in tariff collections. So the premise of your question is invalid.

For FY1863, which ran from July 1863 to June 1864, yes it did. As was reported in Lincon's 1864 Message to Congress in December.

1,913 posted on 08/10/2009 1:45:06 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
This article from the time answers all of your questions.

Harper's Weekly, February 9, 1861

A Southern Transatlantic Steam Line

We have reason to believe that negotiations are on foot which may lead to the establishment of a line of ocean steamers between Norfolk, Virginia, and Havre France, touching at New York going and coming.  The political troubles in the Southern States seem to have thrown obstacles in the way of the usual exports of cotton from Southern ports. 

Some of the leading planters and their financial agents have, consequently, begun to examine the facilities afforded by Northern ports for the export of the staple.

The advantages of New York as a shipping port naturally strike the eye at once.  We have the capital, the apparatus, the ships, the harbor, and the internal communications.

Cotton can be sent from points south of Memphis to Liverpool, via New York, about as cheaply as via New Orleans.  Such is the rivalry among our railroads, in fact, that if the trade became brisk perhaps this route would prove the cheapest.

But if Norfolk or Baltimore entered into the competition, they would enjoy advantages over New York,  By the Virginia and Tennesee Railroad, Norfolk is now in direct connection with Memphis.  If a line of steamers were established between Norfolk and Havre, they could rely upon a full cargo of cotton each trip eastward; and there is very reason to believe that they would come westward heavily freighted with French goods for New Orleans and St. Louis.

At present New York receives all the European freights for the Mississippi cities.  They could be imported more cheaply via Norfolk, if only a steam line were established to Norfolk.

Memphis being the distributing point for the Upper and Lower Mississippi.  We understand that arrangements have already been made with the Virginia and Tennessee Railroad, and with the Mississippi steamers, by which passengers and freight can be sent through from Havre to New Orleans or St. Louis, via the Virginia and Tennessee Railroad and the Mississippi River, at a considerable reduction from the present rate via New York.

The subject has been laid before the leading steamship men of this city and is now under consideration.  The chief difficulty in the was seems to be the doubt whether Virginia will be a member of the Federal Union at the time matters are ready for the establishment of the ocean service.  If Virginia goes out of the Union, steamship proprietors apprehend difficulties about clearances, and foreign alliances, which might seriously interfere with the success of the enterprise.  Their apprehensions may be gratuitous; but capital is proverbially timid.  If it were certain that Virginia and Tennessee were going to remain in the Union, we think it morally certain, from what we know, that the transatlantic line from Norfolk would be in operation by the 1st of April next.

1,914 posted on 08/10/2009 1:50:26 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Non-Sequitur
Thank you for the suggestion, but I did read the entire chapter. There was nothing that justified that suggestion. Another sneaky red herring-non-sequitur on your part.

You need to keep in mind these figures before you attribute any generalization about my comments that I did not make:

In 1860, the South imported $346 million dollars worth of products. Of this list of goods, $240 million came from the Northern manufacturers and suppliers, and imported goods sold to the South was $106 million.

1,915 posted on 08/10/2009 1:57:41 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Non-Sequitur
That would be in Lincoln's letter to Congress on the State of the Union?

What was Lincoln's source for the information?

1,916 posted on 08/10/2009 1:59:13 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: rockrr
laughing AT you, VULGAR-talking DUNCE. (RIDICULE is the most effective weapon against a PREJUDICED, ignorant,arrogant FOOL. ===> that's YOU, clear to the marrow, BIGOT.)

be GONE to DAILY KOOKS. - you'll be a STAR, as they TOO are PREJUDICED,STUPID & SELF-impressed.

free dixie,sw

1,917 posted on 08/10/2009 2:14:13 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: ketsu

First of all, comparing the Confederacy to the Taliban is disturbing. Do people actually believe that these two are the same, or morally equivalent? That reminds me of the time that General Patton compared the Nazi Party to the Democratic or Republican parties. I suppose that you can make a comparison with just about anything. Adolf Hitler loved dogs, therefore all dog lovers are Hitler. If someone believes that the Confederacy and the Taliban are morally equivalent, there is no common ground for a discussion. The presuppositions are so different that it simply becomes a series of contradictions.


1,918 posted on 08/10/2009 3:26:00 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex
First of all, comparing the Confederacy to the Taliban is disturbing. Do people actually believe that these two are the same, or morally equivalent? That reminds me of the time that General Patton compared the Nazi Party to the Democratic or Republican parties. I suppose that you can make a comparison with just about anything. Adolf Hitler loved dogs, therefore all dog lovers are Hitler. If someone believes that the Confederacy and the Taliban are morally equivalent, there is no common ground for a discussion. The presuppositions are so different that it simply becomes a series of contradictions.
So some slavery and drug dealing is better than others? Sounds awfully morally relativist to me.
1,919 posted on 08/10/2009 3:52:11 PM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: stand watie

What’s your nickname over there - is it Squat2pee like it is here?


1,920 posted on 08/10/2009 4:02:10 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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