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To: Quix
I keep an open mind on this stuff. I was talking to a man and wife at church and the man told the story of a friend of his who's dad worked at Area 51. The Dad is in his eighties now and has severe Alzheimer's. They were watching Independence Day and somebody in the movie made a comment about “little green men”. The Dad, in one moment of lucidity says “They're not green.” !!?? (Of course it is a friend of a friend type story!)

I told them “Ya never know!?” The wife replied “well we saw one, a vertical cylinder, dull metallic in color - and it shot up faster than you could blink up into the clouds”. The husband tends to think (hopes to believe?) that it was something of “ours”, but the wife thinks it was alien. Older, normal couple.

My question is - even if aliens could manage the super speeds (and G-forces) of these objects that just “zip - disappear”, how can they get around the Earth's natural physics such as friction and sonic booms. Something that “zips” through our atmosphere would get super-heated and it would get red (white?) hot as it “zipped” away but we never hear about that. Especially something as un-aerodynamic as a cylinder (flat on both ends). (Perhaps it zips away TOO quickly we don't see it or the white hotness!). And what about the sonic boom?

Serious questions (at least I think so!) - has anyone put out some theories? (Vehicles surrounded by anti-gravity forces, stuff like that?) After thinking about the physics behind it, I am more inclined to the view that they are more “spiritual” in nature.

35 posted on 03/28/2009 8:42:29 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: 21twelve

Used to believe or wanted to believe in a lot of this but now I doubt it, however:

Had a girlfriend years ago, her dad was a WWII fighterpilot. They saw the “foo fighters” all the time and thought they were new German weapons.

Her friend’s dad was a Canandian airline pilot, who said they see this stuff all the time and eventually they were told to stop reporting it, so they stopped.

She was a very intelligent conventional person I’m sure that what she told me was true, as far as it goes.

OTOH I have the friend who befriended a retired CIA analyst. The CIA guy was drinking once and let it slip that all this stuff is our own secret weapons program.

Who knows.


37 posted on 03/28/2009 8:50:02 PM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: 21twelve

Yes. There have been a host of assertions.

I’m sleepy and not likely to recall many. Maybe tomorrow.

Anti-Gravity is one propulsion system, reportedly.

There are evidently 3-4 DIFFERENT ways to trash the ‘faster than light’ thing . . . which some ET’s have laughed in ridicule at the idea that such is a problem for space travel.

One way reportedly involves bending space/time such that the two formerly distant points are quite close.

Also, inside the capsule, our conventional physics are . . . excluded in terms of inertial problems etc. in at least some of the craft.


42 posted on 03/28/2009 8:57:06 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: 21twelve

The skins of the craft are reportedly covered in some sort of plasma &/or intense ion flow that prevents overheating from air friction etc.


44 posted on 03/28/2009 8:58:55 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: 21twelve
My question is - even if aliens could manage the super speeds (and G-forces) of these objects that just “zip - disappear”, how can they get around the Earth's natural physics such as friction and sonic booms. Something that “zips” through our atmosphere would get super-heated and it would get red (white?) hot as it “zipped” away but we never hear about that.

The friction part is relatively easy -- start out by utilizing the same principle as supercavitating torpedoes, such as the VA-111 Shkval. These achieve 350-300 knots underwater. Atmosphere is a piece of cake compared to water. Perhaps ions would take the place of the gas bubble stream around the torpedo?

Sonic booms are caused when pressure waves combine to form shock waves that travel forward, creating the noise. We could substantially reduce or eliminate them now, but priorities lies elsewhere and modification to the aircraft shape would results in costs elsewhere. The aircraft shape would have to be really long with something akin to noise-cancelling technology at the nose.

Of course, these are human-2009 type engineering ideas, probably laughable in advanced alien terms (I'm neutral on the issue myself).

46 posted on 03/28/2009 9:09:48 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: 21twelve

I turned a theory into a novel. See my profile.


63 posted on 03/29/2009 12:37:03 AM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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