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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Speaking as the judge or juror in this analogy: bring 'em. I don't categorically dismiss anything.

Great to hear! But you don't appear to me to be impartial like the judge or the jury any more then I look impartial to you [grin]

I think I would(and did) characterize it as you playing the part of the prosecution and me in the defense in a case in which evolution and the big bang are being accused of bringing into existence all matter.

I realize that you feel like you're the impartial judge and that I'm the shifty lawyer, but I think it's safe to say that to me it looks just the opposite, with me being the impartial jury and you the lawyer. Thus to be fair, I'll just say that one of us is with the defense and the other the prosecution.

So does the fact that the big bang violated many of our current laws of physics, and that we can't even demonstrate that it could happen let alone that it did happen? It was a super-natural incident, since it happened beyond any known natural process.

Or do you feel pretty confidant that something that noone saw and that violated the laws of physics did indeed happen? Any slight lingering questions?

I find the alledged causations highly improbable in their own right as well as countered by many other evidences, which I posted the other day.

And I sure haven't seen anything like a 9-to-1 ratio.

My point was to demonstrate how the side with less supporting evidence could manage it with a sort of sleight of hand which would give them the upper hand even though they had the weaker evidence.

Have you noticed any facts or evidences, even just a few small ones, that don't make sense with your understanding of evolution or origins, or does it all make perfect sense to you?

Thanks,

-Jesse

835 posted on 04/07/2008 10:44:50 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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To: mrjesse
[The big bang] was a super-natural incident, since it happened beyond any known natural process.

I'm not sure the word "supernatural" applies to a state before there was any nature. The big bang brought our laws of physics and natural processes into being; it couldn't have violated laws that didn't exist. Beyond that, I don't think much about the big bang. It's a fascinating hypothesis, but I won't pretend to have enough physics expertise to assess its likelihood.

Have you noticed any facts or evidences, even just a few small ones, that don't make sense with your understanding of evolution or origins, or does it all make perfect sense to you?

As far as origins go, I have no opinion. As for evolution, no, I don't know of any facts that don't make sense with my understanding of it.

848 posted on 04/08/2008 12:25:10 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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