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To: sauron
I already have one by Irving Copi, and, unlike some, I've actually read it.

That seems unlikely, but if you do indeed have a copy, you can start with chapter 5, paying particular attention to the section on fallacies of relevance.

...which seems indistinguishable from magic.

I can hardly be responsible for your perceptions, or how things "seem" to you. It's not magic, it's quantum mechanics. You may end up not believing that, and it's obvious you don't, but then again, I don't really care if you believe it or not. Those who are truly interested in the subject will be off looking it up for themselves, where they will confirm the correctness of what I say. Those who are not particularly interested in facts that may present some danger of contradicting a cherished worldview will continue to quibble. And so it goes.

392 posted on 08/04/2006 4:24:54 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
As we build more powerful tokamaks, cyclotrons, SSCs, etc., we will be able to observe smaller and smaller particles.

One day, it may not seem like "magic," and we will see that, yes, what we thought was un-caused is in fact, caused.

Thus, I argue that all things are caused. They merely appear not to be. And our physics knowledge will continue to grow.

It is currently incorrect if it says (QT) that decay is uncaused. Patently wrong. It merely appears to us to be that way...for now.

In a century, that will seem a foolish idea.

Sauron

395 posted on 08/04/2006 4:41:27 PM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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