Posted on 12/09/2025 4:32:47 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
For most of human history, progress meant learning more. Each new tool expanded capability, extended reach, and added to the skills a person needed to function in the world. But our relationship with technology has changed. Increasingly, progress means we know less while outsourcing more.
Artificial intelligence pushes this shift further than any tool before it, and the coming wave of humanoid AI robots will accelerate it. These machines won’t simply take over hard labor—they’ll take over the small daily tasks and judgments that once formed the foundation of basic adulthood. The danger is not machine rebellion. It’s quiet human atrophy.
Every major technological leap has allowed us to abandon a once-essential skill. Writing replaced memorization. Calculators replaced arithmetic. GPS replaced navigation. Refrigerators replaced the knowledge of food preservation. We call this “progress,” but in practice, it’s also a trade: we gain convenience and lose capability.
Few people today can:
Previous generations took these competencies for granted. We quietly let them disappear because technology made them optional. The habit of skill fades quickly; two generations is often enough. This is the pattern AI now enters—on a scale far larger than anything before.
Unlike older technologies, AI doesn’t just do physical work. It performs cognitive work: the thinking, remembering, deciding, planning, and interpreting that once required human judgment.
People already ask AI questions they once asked themselves:
Soon, humanoid AI robots will translate these answers into action:
Robots will handle the daily responsibilities that once taught discipline, problem-solving, resilience, and self-reliance. A population raised with such systems may grow up knowing how to operate technology but not how to function without it.
Consider one of the most common technologies in modern life: the computer and the internet. Millions of people use them daily, but very few truly understand how they work. Most users can operate software, browse the web, or send emails—but ask them how the CPU processes data, how the operating system manages memory, or how packets travel across networks, and their answers quickly reveal gaps.
Even more striking: understanding alone is not enough. If the computer breaks, most users lack the tools, replacement parts, or physical access needed to repair it. If the internet goes down, very few can reconnect or restore critical infrastructure. In short, people are dependent on complex systems they neither control nor can fix.
This is the first real-world glimpse of what happens when technology performs tasks for us. The computer and the internet are just the beginning—humanoid AI will expand this effect to cooking, cleaning, repairs, childcare, and even personal decision-making. The difference is scale: where computers and networks support work, robots and AI could support life itself.
The lesson is clear: convenience can breed fragility. Relying on a system you don’t understand—and cannot repair—creates a population that is capable only as long as the system functions. Remove the system, and competence disappears.
This dynamic is not new. For centuries, wealthy families employed servants to manage the details of daily life. This often produced adults who were polished but unprepared. They knew how to direct others but not how to do anything themselves. Many couldn’t cook, clean, mend clothing, repair anything, or navigate life without a household staff.
The same pattern appeared again when domestic technologies spread in the 20th century. As washing machines, vacuum cleaners, and packaged foods became common, people naturally abandoned domestic skills their grandparents considered basic. Humanoid AI will universalize what was once a class-based experience. Everyone will grow up with a “staff.”
The question is: What happens to a society when nearly nobody learns the basic competencies that once defined adulthood?
We don’t have to speculate. Signs of dependency are already everywhere:
These failures are not moral flaws. They are predictable outcomes of a society that quietly stops teaching skills once technology takes over the burden. AI will amplify these trends dramatically.
Civilizations do not collapse because they become weak. They collapse because they become complex—and complexity creates fragility. As systems grow more advanced, fewer people understand them. When the ratio shifts too far—millions who rely on a system and only a handful who can maintain it—even minor failures cascade.
This pattern is well-known in history. The Roman Empire, the Mayan cities, the Soviet Union, and many other advanced civilizations didn’t lack intelligence; they lacked resilience. Ordinary people no longer knew how to operate life when the central system faltered.
AI deepens this vulnerability:
If enough people forget how to live without automation, the entire system becomes fragile.
Beyond civilizational risks, the personal costs are significant:
These are the subtle human qualities civilizations require in times of crisis. Without them, a society is strong only when everything works—and helpless when something breaks.
AI should enrich life, not hollow it out. That requires a deliberate approach to maintaining core human skills:
Convenience should not come at the cost of competence.
Technology has always shaped human behavior, but never so intimately as AI promises to. The risk isn’t evil machines—it’s obedient machines that make life so effortless that people slowly forget how to live it themselves.
Civilizations survive not because they are advanced, but because their people remain capable. If we allow AI to replace the skills and habits that made us resilient, we may one day resemble the science-fiction warning: a society of operators who can command machines but no longer understand the world they depend on.
That future is avoidable—but only if we remember the oldest lesson of human progress: Use it, or lose it.
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I always think about a scene from a Star Trek movie, The Wrath of Khan. There is a scene when Spock and Kirk are talking about how to take over another ship remotely. They are using a little known function.
At this point Kirk says to one of the young officers, “You have know ow stuff works on a Starship.”
I used to play that scene in training for new supervisors everywhere I worked. People need to know how their systems work. AI, Robots, and computers can do a lot of the legwork, but if you don’t know—at least in basic terms—how a car works, how your electricity works, how your heating system works, how your bank processes payments—when it breaks you are at the mercy of someone who does.
When my kids faced “problems” I would drive them crazy asking them to map out the issue and try to understand the problem. The exercise was frustrating, but it taught them how to think.
Problem solving skills, cause and effect, and an ability to think “objectively” are lost on a lot of people these days because, “the computer told me so.”
Read like AI generated text. AI isn’t the servant. We are becoming the servants of some amorphous, ubiquitous, partial knowledge conglomerate, whom most people with no life experience are willing to trust.
I think one solution is to have two identities. One is compliant to the internet morass. It is a fake identity. Consistent with internet expectations.
The second lives free from the societal internet boundaries. It’s relationships are in person and and actually effect real physical entities. It grows food, fixes things, writes, sings, cooks, talks in person. Explores the physical world. Shares experiences with in person friends.
This is obviously written by AI.
I appreciate that you acknowledged that.
AI can be useful. But it can suck too. Especially when someone uses it to write an article for them.
AI can be useful. But it can suck too. Especially when someone uses it to write an article for them.
Bkmk
If the internet goes down, very few can reconnect or restore critical infrastructure. In short, people are dependent on complex systems they neither control nor can fix.
In defense of people, the number of technologies necessary to master in order to fix anything is beyond human capability. I have done welding, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, logging, running heavy equipment, sheet metal, car painting, mechanical work, prototype machining, made simple logic circuits, built a computer, lots of digital photography... but you know I don't do all of them every day; I have to relearn most of those skills when I take them on. Yet worse than that, even with all those skills there is a lot I cannot fix. I sure as hell don't know how to fix a smart phone.
Skills are interdependent and mutually reinforcing, no doubt. But more important, the knowledge that goes into a product is so huge that NO ONE can master them all. Consider finite element analysis and CAM. For example, look at a DJI drone. That degree of integration is a result of multiple product generations by a team of experts familiar with the manufacturing 'skills' of injection molding, heat transfer, power transmission, tiny motors, and automated assembly. In a sense, the building of drones drove the design technology.
This cuts to one of the most damaging consequences of outsourcing manufacturing. The idiots looking to cash in on cheaper labor thought we could retain the demanding technical skills while shucking the touch labor. That cost us the immediate feedbacks of materials handling, plating, molding, and assembly doesn't get back to the designers. Shipping production overseas made design less capable. THIS is where the environmental regulations governing the externalities of plating, water and air quality, noise... crushed the learning process everything from building nanometer factories to making ships to defend ourselves.
In defense of people, the number of technologies necessary to master in order to fix anything is beyond human capability. I have done welding, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, logging, running heavy equipment, sheet metal, car painting, mechanical work, prototype machining, made simple logic circuits, built a computer, lots of digital photography... but you know I don’t do all of them every day; I have to relearn most of those skills when I take them on. Yet worse than that, even with all those skills there is a lot I cannot fix. I sure as hell don’t know how to fix a smart phone.
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Before that were skills to find water, knowing what was safe to eat, hunting small game, and how to avoid being eaten. As an example, humans had relationships with large cats to tell them where the wolves are so that the cats would take the wolves.
Yet wrapped in that knowledge was a mysticism we also lack developed via respect for the extended family.
The condensed version...
Both Mental and Physical Atrophy are a biological reality... Use them or lose them...
Prime for takeover.
I’m just waiting for the right moment to become Emperor of the Observable Universe.
Both Mental and Physical Atrophy are a biological reality... Use them or lose them...
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Exactly.
In a similar vein, while at hp one of the projects was an impatt diode that was targeted at the radar system of the F16. We had the contract until one of the gals on the line left. The lost skill seemed to be her ability to tune the impedance by repositioning the bond wire. The contract went to Hughs. Further down the line, Jerry C. used c-clamps to fine tune waveguides...
I don’t know what you are worried about. The majority of people are already stupid. Fully half of all people are below average intelligence. Most of them are Democrats and some of the smarter half are Democrats. Billions of people are Muslims. If you fear that you will become a dullard perhaps get a hobby? Also I think there is some irony here what with lamenting the use of technology while using the same technology to compose the lamenting.
FReeper Carry_Okie: In defense of people, the number of technologies necessary to master in order to fix anything is beyond human capability.
IMHO this brings us more to a need for community, both in the family and as neighbors. My son-in-law and daughter lives 20 miles away in a very remote area in which the only internet is StarLink. I live close enough to "town" to have better and cheaper internet service through Spectrum. I also have lots of solar and battery storage. So when the power goes out at my daughter's house, she and her husband stay with me and he brings his Starlink equipment. If the grid is down in my area too I don't have land internet, even if my house has power (through solar). Between the two of us, we have both power and internet.
The same with helping each other fix each other's cars before we give up and take it to a mechanic. The same with work on the home (though I'll admit I'll pay for a professional with major plumbing or electrical). The same with managing each other's investments. (I designed the portfolios and for a while manage them whenever they said they want to invest each paycheck. Now my "kids" do it with me looking over their shoulder --- just sort by balance and invest into whichever mutual fund has the lowest balance to buy low. Opposite for selling when they help me handle my mother's retirement withdrawals -- sell high.)
Admittedly, to FReeper Carry_Okie's point, there's still the issue of being unable to fix individual components like we used to. (i.e. Fixing this laptop's motherboard wouldn't be as easy as the times my father had me crawl into a console TV and tell him color codes on resisters as well as readings from the voltage/ohms meter.) And our knowledge tends to be more specialized and less general (i.e. my decades experience as a programmer, mainly on the back-end data side, has made some nice coin but those skills aren't applicable to my family except how I used them to download market data and query the stew out of it to build investment plans, and query the telemetry from our solar equipment to see if it's working well and which parts were feasible to upgrade and get goody out of it or add insulation because the furnace ran more than I realized even after we were in the house with the doors shut for the day).
even with all those skills there is a lot I cannot fix
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New car repair requires special tools. And special computer programming from the factory only.
They wanted to charge me to reset the battery monitor module after I changed the 12 v battery. Not like the good old days.
"Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."
"Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we-you and I, and our government-must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow."
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/president-dwight-d-eisenhowers-farewell-address
Yes, I love the new technology especially being able to play the music I want to hear and turn off lights all by voice command from my easy chair. However, I still make meals from scratch, though I will consult recipes from the Internet rather than my cookbook collection. I have done auto engine repair but on a 1928 Ford that you could still make repairs with simple hand tools. I built my own stereo systems, but back when there were tubes not integrated circuits. I learned to do basic electrical repair, plumbing and even installed ceramic tile, but in my old age no longer have the agility to do these tasks myself. If all else fails I still have my old slide rule.
I certainly have a number of objections to the article:1 - Writing replaced memorization ==> Writing is a form of communications over and above retention
2 - Calculators replaced arithmetic ==> Calculators added another way of performing the mechanics of basic calculations.
3 - GPS replaced navigation ==> GPS added a new method of navigation.
4 - Refrigerators replaced the knowledge of food preservation ==> Refrigerators made a previously available preservation technique available anytime, anywhere.
Granted, technological dependencies will make civilization collapse much more difficult. This fault rests with people, not the technology. For example, I still can navigate with map and compass, cook meals on a campfire, and even work with a wide assortment of hand tools. It has been my observation that few people ever mastered the old ways and even fewer the newer technologies.
I know people who can write in a notebook but not create a folder on their computer. God help them if they ever want to find the actual files of their photos outside of their super-duper photo manager software. I have seen people accumulate recipes with their super-duper recipe builders lose everything when they migrate to a "new and improved" version or one from a different vendor.
Most people are dreadfully incompetent with any tool they use, primitive or advanced.
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