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AI Data Centers Are Wreaking Havoc On Local Communities Across America
The Federalist ^ | 12/05/2025 | Shawn Fleetwood

Posted on 12/05/2025 7:24:50 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

I think eventually the LLMs will be hosted on a chip embedded with the laptop, essentially it will be firmware. One good thing about that is privacy, since the data won’t be going to a server in the cloud.


41 posted on 12/06/2025 10:02:37 AM PST by dfwgator ("I am Charlie Kirk!")
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To: Reily

I assumed that there was some type of joke associated with your post. I further assume that ST stands for Star Trek and TOS stands for The Original Series. But I am not familiar with V’ger and do not know what that means. So, I still am not sure what you are referring to.

As far as jobs go... it is supposed to be like an aircraft carrier that travels to different parts of the universe. The original Star Trek mission was the five-year mission of the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701), focused on exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and new civilizations, and boldly going where no man has gone before. How many civilian jobs do you find on an aircraft carrier?


42 posted on 12/06/2025 10:10:35 AM PST by fireman15
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To: fireman15

There are “civilian” encounters in all the Treks. You clearly haven’t watched enough of them.


43 posted on 12/06/2025 10:16:15 AM PST by Reily
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To: fireman15

Let me correct myself I now remember a TOS episode that at least implied private sector jobs. I think it was called “Mud’s Women”. The unforgettable Harry Mudd bringing babes to a mining planet to be miners’ wives.


44 posted on 12/06/2025 10:21:57 AM PST by Reily
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To: Reily

The unforgettable Harry Mudd bringing babes to a mining planet to be miners’ wives.

Now that one rings a bell. As far as civilians go.. I can remember encounters with government officials on other planets as well as the OK Corral episode and one with them on earth in the 1930s. I am pretty sure that I have seen all the episodes from the original series but that was all decades ago.

For whatever reason my wife has mostly prevented me from watching much Star Trek from any time period for the past 35 years. So, I am just not that familiar these days with the lingo. But by the 60s Hollywood had already hired a bunch of writers who were young socialists, so I am sure whatever point you were making is completely valid.


45 posted on 12/06/2025 11:30:32 AM PST by fireman15
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

RE: If you are going to build them—and they will—they need to shift away from standard semiconductors and start using electro-optical solutions operate faster and consume less power and heat.

It’s coming but the early phases will be seen later next year. I expect full switching to optical solutions by 2030.

Companies in the US like Broadcom, Marvell, Arista, Lumentum and Cisco to name a few are already working on this conversion.


46 posted on 12/06/2025 12:17:57 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

By the way, even with the switch to electro optical data centers, Power Is Still Needed.

Electro‑optical interconnects (like linear pluggable optics and co‑packaged optics) consume less energy per bit and generate less heat than copper. This reduces cooling costs and overall energy use,

But AI training, cloud services, and streaming continue to grow exponentially. Even with efficiency improvements, the sheer increase in data traffic means total energy demand will still rise.

And Cooling savings ≠ zero demand: Cooling is one of the largest costs in data centers. Optical reduces cooling needs, but servers, GPUs, and storage still consume massive amounts of electricity.

Grid dependency: Data centers remain tied to the power grid. Electro‑optical solutions make them more efficient, but they don’t replace the need for more electricity generation.

Electro‑optical data centers are about efficiency, not elimination. They will slow the pace of energy demand growth, making data centers greener and cheaper to run, but they won’t make new power generation unnecessary.


47 posted on 12/06/2025 12:23:29 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Reily

Ok, I figured it out! V-ger = Voyager.


48 posted on 12/06/2025 12:24:31 PM PST by fireman15
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To: Jonty30

THAT MAY HELP THE POWER ISSUE:L

WHAT ABOUT THE WATER ISSUE?

THERE ARE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WATER NEEDED TO COOL THE SERVERS——AND IT IS NOT RECYCLED...INTO THE ATMOSPHERE——INCREASING HUMIDITY.

450,000 GALLON EACH DAY IS COMMON.


49 posted on 12/06/2025 12:44:19 PM PST by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: dfwgator
"LLM" Large language model. Yes, keep it on board is my preference. Norton keeps wanting to back up up to the cloud. I want it on local memory device. (And will have problems If I ever have a fire or something.)
50 posted on 12/06/2025 12:58:09 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: SeekAndFind
No, and I do not think I posted this as the solution, just as something to reduce costs and improve efficiency, which operators of the centers will find necessary. (And as a potential investment to the interested. )
51 posted on 12/06/2025 1:05:57 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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