Posted on 05/02/2021 5:13:44 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
Isn’t it strange how our government here in the United States reversed their position, in an instant, that UFOs were not real and that only nutty, conspiracy theory basement dwellers believed they were real? And they did it with no apologies, no explanation, no ‘filling in the blanks’ to get us all up to speed. Of course, what they don’t know is that what they are encountering are not space aliens at all, they are the fallen angels connected with the Genesis 6 giants. Welcome back, we who believe the bible have been expecting your return.
“But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Matthew 24:37 (KJB)
Now remember, when the Pentagon reveals them to us on the nightly news, in an interview streamed lived on YouTube, you didn’t miss the rapture and we are not in the Tribulation. When that happens, we will simply be witnesses the fulfillment of the prophecy of Jesus and the Days of Noah. When it happens, the Pretribulation Rapture will literally be moments away from taking place.
FROM THE NY POST: Luis “Lue” Elizondo, former head of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, has told The Post about the document slated for release in June under a mandate contained in former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriations bill for this year.
The whistleblower said the highly anticipated report will address what UFO believers have been clamoring to discover about Tic Tac-shaped objects the Navy saw in 2004, the strange “cubes within spheres” seen by naval aviators in 2014 and mysterious black triangles reported around the world.
“I am not a UFO guy, I am an investigator, my job was (simply) to collect the data and speak the truth,” Elizondo told the US Sun.
“There is something in our skies, we don’t know what it is, we don’t know how it works, we don’t know fully what it can do, we don’t know who is behind the wheel, we don’t know its intentions, and there isn’t a damn thing we can do about it,” he added.
“If it turns out we have been leapfrogged technologically by a foreign adversary, then we are dealing with an intelligence failure on the level of 9/11,” Elizondo told the outlet. “It took three years to write the 9/11 report — and I am not sure if these things have been in our skies for decades that 180 days is enough time to provide the level of information Congress is asking for and deserves,” he added.
Elizondo made it clear in a press conference that UFOs have been observed to have qualities that are nothing less than otherworldly. He described vessels flying at 11,000 mph and being able to turn “instantly.” Providing a comparison, he explained, for our most advanced jets going at the same speed, “if you wanted to make a right-hand turn, it would take you about half the state of Ohio to do it.”
Elizondo resigned from the AATIP as he sought to bring the discussion about the UFOs into the mainstream, describing them as a “national security issue.”
“When I was at AATIP, our purpose was to try and find a conventional explanation,” he told the US Sun. “It was only when we exhausted all options that we became increasingly engaged.”
When asked whether Russia and China are also studying UFOs, he said, “We have every reason to believe that foreign adversarial countries are equally — if not more — interested in these topics than we are. “That has been validated through various sources. We are certain about that,” he added to the outlet.
“Building faith is, in my experience, very much like athletics.”
That seems backward to me.
If this “faith” you speak of is anything like trust in a relationship, then it isn’t something one seeks to build in oneself. Trust is something we seek to build in others, by being trustworthy. Trust in a relationship is conditional upon remaining trustworthy over time.
So, shouldn’t faith in a deity be the same? Wouldn’t it be up to the deity to build faith in others by continually demonstrating worthiness of that faith?
It seems backward for a deity to remain cloaked in mystery - to remain silent for thousands of years - so silent that it is questionable whether the deity even exists - and expect followers to take it on faith?
Like in a trust relationship, I would think the deity should be doing the heavy lifting to build up that trust, that faith, among followers.
Often, religions view their deity as a Father. But is that what a good father does? Does a good father abandon his children at birth and let them grow up wondering if he even exists?
And then, adding insult to injury, if the child finally comes to doubt the father’s existence, does a good father judge the child for having insufficient faith?
It’s not just with religion. It’s with politics and anything else that people feel strongly about.
Case in point right here on FR: Try having a rational conversation with the qanon folks. It’s ridiculous. Same with conspiracy theorists, ufo buffs, abortionists, abiogenesis, global warming alarmists, maskholes, and on & on.
I think it would be worthwhile to work with someone like you to develop a rationality vocabulary.
You are asking the right kind of questions — the kind that lead to answers.
The standard Christian quip goes like this: religion is mankind trying to earn their way to heaven; spirituality is allowing God to open heaven up even though we don’t deserve it. I kinda like it but it’s still a standard loaded definition.
In my view there is the undeniable historical evidence that even the enemies acknowledge. That’s straightforward science, historicity, archeology and rational thinking.
Then at some point with Jesus, one confronts the historically provable claim that Jesus died claiming to be equal with God Himself.
That is when a person draws their own conclusion. Regardless of their conclusion, that is when a person has wandered into religion territory. The person like me who is convinced [Christianized word is ‘convicted’
] that Jesus IS God Himself has drawn just as much a religious conclusion as the person who concludes Jesus was either a lunatic or a liar.
Ask Him to show you. He is completely trustworthy, but you will have to learn for yourself.
Like riding a bike for the first time, it might look scary...but it is the least scary thing you can imagine.
Here’s a little spiritual secret. When Christians get to heaven we will be like newborns for a few tens of thousands of years. In heaven, faith will be our eyesight. The stronger our faith in God, the stronger our eyesight in heaven. That’s why God seeks to build our faith here.
To add to this with the element of faith, I will show how the vast majority have plenty of faith. Jesus tells us that all He requires is a tiny mustard seeds worth of faith.
When we ask people about Jesua we ask, “Do you think He was a good person or a bad person?” Invariably people say ‘good. I have met only 1 person who said ‘bad’. That’s all the faith it takes. And they have already demonstrated it.
Once a person is confronted by the historically provable fact that Jesus claims to be God Himself and you ask that question again, honesty leads one down the True Path.
As you probably know, Lewis was an Oxford Don and atheist who became a Christian at 31 IIRC.
Another well written book I recommend is available for free on the internet as a pdf.
The New Testament Documents, Are They Reliable? By F.F. Bruce.
https://www.google.com/search?q=new+testament+documents+are+they+reliable+pdf&sxsrf=ALeKk02coU-SAGpAU_sRcOJYMHdg5a2E6A%3A1620163178794&source=hp&ei=arqRYPCALZ7P0PEPpMClwAs&oq=&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAAyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyDQguEMcBEKMCEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECcyBwgjEOoCECdQAFgAYNAraAFwAHgAgAEAiAEAkgEAmAEAsAEP&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#sbfbu=1&pi=new%20testament%20documents%20are%20they%20reliable%20pdf
He was an eminent scholar of his day.
I never made it all the way through that book. Very well written but for me it was too densely packed.
He did properly drill down to what all the Christian denominations share as a belief: That Jesus was and is God Himself. For me, all the rest of the stuff we disagree on is just sidetracked window dressing chatter.
“Case in point right here on FR: Try having a rational conversation with the qanon folks.”
Haha! I’ve tried that!... :-(
There’s a beautiful folk song by Iris DeMent, called “Let the Mystery Be” which sums up my faith perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80
Maybe they've never sinned, and therefore have no need for salvation through Christ.
“Maybe they’ve never sinned, and therefore have no need for salvation through Christ.”
Interesting - if they were still in their Garden of Eden they would be in direct contact with God, and they would not need to experience the Holy Spirit or Jesus.
Although I would find it hard to believe that in all that time Satan couldn’t find “somebody” (some thing?) on their planet to trick!
CS Lewis wrote a sci-fi story with that as a premise.
It takes more than any “somebody”. Humanity didn’t fall when Eve bit the apple, it fell when Adam did because he was the Ambassador for mankind.
If I go down to Mexico and declare war on them, they won’t care. But if the Ambassador does so, it’s serious bizness.
Humanity didn’t fall when Eve bit the apple, it fell when Adam did because he was the Ambassador for mankind.
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Excellent point.
A careful look at the text shows the command was only given to Adam and the text also indicates he was standing right there when she was tempted. He either didn’t tell her, and/or allowed it to happen. Adam failed. Not Eve.
A man should be a leader
Thanks for your reply about Adam.
I recalled something about the C.S. Lewis story but not enough to say something without screwing it up. BUT - perhaps you recall. I seem to recall him saying something like without sin we would never know the redemptive love and grace of Jesus - so he hopes that they have also sinned!? But I’m not sure - if they had never sinned (or their “Adam”) - they would be in an even better relationship with God, so I probably got it wrong. (Apologies to Lewis if I did! Seems odd to wish that they - and us - would have sin in the world!)
My memory says they were in a far better relationship with God by not having sinned against Him.
Thanks - that would make sense obviously!
How do you explain the existence of Christianity - a faith that began 2000 years ago based upon a man who claimed to BE God who would redeem mankind from the consequences of sin, who fulfilled over 300 prophecies (some written thousands of years before), who performed miracles before his followers and enemies alike, who said he would be crucified and then would rise from the dead after three day and he was and did, who was seen alive again by his disciples and over 500 others and many of those eye-witnesses were willing to die as martyrs rather than deny they HAD seen the risen God/man
First answer me this, what were Jesus’ last words on the cross before he died? Then ask yourself who is he really crying out to?
Christianity started 2,000 years ago is false and shown to be false. Jesus was not Christian, his mother was Jewish (Hebrew). Christianity is the contiuation of the practice of Judaism only a lite version. How many laws did God give to Moses? If you say 10, you are wrong and definitely haven’t read your Bible (Hint: Old Testament).
If Jesus is God, why did not in the Book of Revalation to John did not one of the longest disciples of Jesus, John, not recognize Jesus when describing the throne room? Why does Jesus constantly call out and pray to HIS father? Why does Jesus say that he will sit at the right hand of God but yet John, a disciple who had been with Jesus day in and out for years, not make any mention of Jesus at the right hand of God? If you say that is because Jesus is God, then the question circles back to how did John not recognize Jesus as God in Revalations?
Christianity is a man-made religion to worship a man called Jesus who has been deemed a God by man. This is not a denial of God nor is it a denial of Jesus. This is a denial of a lie perpetrated that Jesus is a God when God said to not worship anyone but him. Catholics actually go so far as to worship Mother Mary as well as you cannot convert or be Catholic if you do not fall in line with the beliefs about the Holy Mother Mary. Remember God said to worship no man or worship idols. Yet in every church is a what? A Cross! An idol! An idol is the representation of something, real or not real. An idol is basically a 3D symbol of something. Yes, I know the talking point where the cross is not an idol it is merely a symbol. Being on or above an altar or its use to represent an event makes it an idol. Again refer to the Old Testament as to what and why Moses got mad and what was burned. A cross would fall right in line with that.
I do not deny a man named Jesus commited miracles. And I do not deny that a God exists. I deny that Jesus is a God and the Bible when looked at objectively without the brainwashing done by the Church also agrees with that assessment.
One last thing, Jesus says he is given the Kingdom? Who has the power and authority to give Jesus the Kingdom of Heaven? Only one entity has that power and authority, God.
The funny thing is that how people on here cry about the brainwashing done by the publik ejumukashun system and yet they are silent on the ejumukashun they receive by the Church who has been lying to Christians for 1700 years. Christianity is a religion, early Christians were Jewish who believed Jesus was the Messiah. They were not Catholic or Baptist or any other denomination of a religion called Christianity. Christianity did not start until well after Jesus was crucified. However the tenet of Christianity is that Jesus died on the cross. (Another reason Jesus is not God for he died and was risen. See the Old testament to see what God says about mortal man).
When you finally open your eyes you actually see that Jesus was a man and not God who existed and committed miracles. He died and was risen by God, not by himself. The Egg-Yolk Theory is one of the weakest arguments put forth that explains 3 in 1 rather than three separate entities. Those who deny Jesus is not a God, are not actually reading their Bible but rather believing in something they were told is truth but is one of the biggest lies told by the Church to this day.
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