Posted on 07/29/2017 9:08:32 AM PDT by LS
PB posted, "As to a new party I am all for it. I was hoping we could change the Republican party but there are way to many RINOs."
Actually, they are not even Rinos. They are Undocumented Democrats from Congress to our States to our Counties and our Cities.
MAGA Party
Trump in 2020 of course.
Jim Jordan in 2024.
It has never worked in this country. Sorry. We’re stuck with stupid.
You got that right. Blacks are not fond of Hispanics or the large LGBT element within their party. I think some of them can read the writing on the wall because they can see clearly that the Democrats are catering more to those two groups than any other factions in the party. All is not well in the Democrat Party either. There is also the extreme far left, aka the Bernie voters, who are not going to go away quietly either.
Two more things:
Very early in the presidential campaign, I wrote a FReeper editoral (here) listing the various kinds of people who could be cannabalized from the Republican and Democrat parties to form a Sensible Party that might be able to outvote the two remaining Silly Parties.
One problem that will show up again, with respect to some sort of "MAGA" brand, is that it will be usurped by all sorts of pretenders. E.g., the Tea Party movement in Colorado was pretty-much ruined by this. It became a regular pattern that the real Tea Party candidate was the opponent of whichever candidate the media proclaimed as the "Tea Party" candidate. Sometimes this was because media people (like a reporter at a local TV station whom I talked to about this) were simply ignorant of Republican Party internals and were easily fooled.
No matter what the name or composition of the new party, or how successful it is at electing candidates, they face the same Washington milieu. They get to DC and learn that they will be wealthy for the rest of their lives if they toe the Soros/Chamber of Commerce line and that unlimited funds will be used to defeat them in their next primary if they do not. Almost all will become within hours indistinguishable from Republicans. Without single term term limits for all elected offices no reshuffling of parties can be effective.
I put this link in my browser and it came up good. From my post it comes up: “Sorry, the requested document does not exist on this server.” Here is the link again:
A problem that may arise is that the R Party is a private organization with its own rules and governance of candidates and members.
Do you think that the Party could disapprove of special designations on a Republican ticket, or could see a “MAGA” designation as outside of the traditional Republican Party design and even in opposition to the Party tradition?
For example, I can envision a John McCain, or a Ben Sasse howling an objection.
How about muslims and LGBT? I still think blacks are most likely to bolt.
The Republican Party once had two factions within itself, the “Stalwarts” and the “Progressives”, both trying for supremacy in the late 19th and early 20th Century. The final fissures of that split came after the 1900 election which was won by the Republican party, with William McKinley, the Stalwart, and Teddy Roosevelt, the Progressive, as President and Vice President. McKinley had the bad judgment to die from the effects of an assassin’s bullet, allowing the Vice-President, Roosevelt, to assume the Presidency within the first year of the first term. Mark Hanna, a big party boss of the Republicans of the time, was to have remarked, “Now look! That damned cowboy is President of the United States!”
The Progressives split from the Republicans about 1920, when the La Follettes of Wisconsin and Teddy Roosevelt of New York, in reaction to the Warren Harding administration that opened up the Tea Pot Dome scandal regarding petroleum reserves, that were to be held for use of the US Navy, were sold to cronies of Harding. The splintered Progressives still played at being Republicans, but they voted almost solidly with FDR in the New Deal legislation, and were finally so riddled with Communists, they dissolved as a party after the Second World War, ostensibly rejoining the Republicans, but most of them simply joined the Democrat party.
John McCain likes to think he is the intellectual heir to Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy was a LOT smarter than John McCain.
There’s a division in the Tea Party between conservatives and libertarians; the latter want to subvert the repair of US society at the social level, without which peace cannot be restored to civil society and we cannot avoid God fighting against us.
Only 54 days until a major disruption to the system. President Ryan will be quite happy with the parties that are left behind.
I have a GREAT NAME for the new party - let’s call it the ‘Republican Party’, with Trump and Bannon RUNNING THE SHOW.
Anyone pushing a 3rd Party for Trump supporters strikes me as a Democrat enabler, regardless of their personal intentions.
There are actually two issues. Party name, platform, and formation as opposition group to the paid whores of the (currently controlling) uniparty. And your historical knowledge shows a way to success structurally. And the human nature issue.
Any American who wants the true constitional republic our constitution describes IS PRO TRUMP. The only way to succeed and make a party that wants to free all Americans is to use the morality of common sense and continue to rally the understanding people who support Trump today and convince some of the less gullible to turn from the oligarchy / media stronghold.
Basic beliefs need to be learned:
- Wanting freedom for all Americans is race blind, background blind.
- Freedom is a risk. Your efforts matter.
- Think long and hard about what a medium tells you. Try to figure out what its agenda is.
- No group in human history has ever succeeded by appealing to the others as a needy victim.
- There is no true division amongst Americans that helps us, except those who are for or against us.
With such a moral agenda, we may succeed in waking more of the Gullibles by appealing to their common sense. If the party is filled with platitudes, the opposition, relying on the Alinsky tricks, will win. Gullibles are hard to rouse because they are desperately afraid of social ostracism.
Tiny percentages of the population. The Dems already are joined at the hip with them, esp. mozlems. No catering to minorities of any kind, nosirreebob.
First, a disclaimer: I would love to see a MAGA-based third party. The best you can say about most GOP folks in DC is that they are nothing more than Democrat-lite.
Elections are expensive. Will a MAGA third party be able to raise enough money - consistently - to be competitive?
And we must not forget the Ross Perot effect!!
A MAGA third party would split the Republican vote, and probably split it enough to give the Dem’s many Congressional victories, at least initially.
So it’s a heck of a gamble, and one I wouldn’t take (your mileage may vary). I say push for reform within the party.
Thanks for the ping.
This is something I’ve been suggesting to hubby, for days. I was calling it the American Party or American Trump Party. Hubs didn’t like using Trump in the name.
I like your name/name process much better.
Something has to be done. There is the UniParty and there is us...the Trump voters.
The America First Party....free market, common sense ideas that make America great, again.
The America First Party.....putting AMERICANS first, to MAGA.
Thanks for these ideas. My .02 fwiw....
One of the two has to happen:
1. The R party needs to be disemboweled (or be administered a series of hot high colonics....) and revivified with Trumpians.
2. A successful new party that will draw many from the R party and no doubt a fair number from the Dems, plus Indies.
For the time being, the same strategy may work for whichever option is most likely to win in 2020.
And the continued imposion of the MSM will be a huge help. New media needs to take its place, twitter and other like outlets although very good are not enough.
> Anyone pushing a 3rd Party for Trump supporters strikes me as a Democrat enabler, regardless of their personal intentions. <
An unintentional enabler.
One rule of warfare (including political warfare) is this: Do not do what your opponent wants you to do. The Dem’s would love to see the GOP split into two parties. Just as we would love to see the Dem’s split into two parties.
Split the party, split the votes.
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