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New evidence confirms what gun rights advocates have said for a long time about crime
WAPO ^ | July 27, 2016 | Christopher Ingraham

Posted on 07/27/2016 9:08:48 AM PDT by PROCON


Lawful gun owners commit less than a fifth of all gun crimes, according to a novel analysis released this week by the University of Pittsburgh.

In the study, led by epidemiologist Anthony Fabio of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Public Health, researchers partnered with the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police to trace the origins of all 893 firearms that police recovered from crime scenes in the year 2008.

They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else. The researchers were primarily interested in how these guns made their way from a legal purchase — at a firearm dealer or via a private sale — to the scene of the crime.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; crime; guncontrol; gunrights
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An article that isn't anti-gun from the WAPO is amazing in itself.

The study says that 20% of these crimes are committed by legal gun owners.

Keep in mind that this is in Pittsburgh in one given year, 2008.

I would surmise that nationally, that percentage is much lower.

1 posted on 07/27/2016 9:08:48 AM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

Check crimes by CCW permitees!


2 posted on 07/27/2016 9:14:24 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: PROCON

Bookmark


3 posted on 07/27/2016 9:15:36 AM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: PROCON
The study says that 20% of these crimes are committed by legal gun owners.

Are the 20% actually crimes? Or are they crimes where the use of the gun by the law-abiding citizen to stop the crime was included to be a "gun crime"?

4 posted on 07/27/2016 9:17:19 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Warning: This post has little to do with reality, and nothing to do with polite society.)
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To: PROCON

How many of the “lawful owners” were actually straw purchases?. It could have been a “legal purchase” by a girlfriend but an illegally “possessed” weapon.

Those numbers seem very high to me. Too high.

Public Schools of Health are not know for their fairness in things gun related.


5 posted on 07/27/2016 9:17:47 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obamca loves America)
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To: PROCON

While it identifies what we already know, read into it a bit.

This is a telling comment about gun owners...

” “And some of them aren’t keeping track of them for different reasons — maybe because they have a lot of them and they don’t use them that often.”

See how they did that?

If they can link you owning a lot of guns to high crime...well, that’s easy to solve...limit the number of guns you can own.

If they can link that if you don’t use your guns very often, they wind up in crime, they can make the case that you have to get rid of them if you don’t shoot on a schedule.


6 posted on 07/27/2016 9:23:40 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: PROCON

In good form, I’ll comment without reading the article.

Wondering, of the 18% of crimes by lawful owners:
- % Suicides
- % Non-violent crimes (i.e. dumbass shooting in city limits)
- Demographics of those charged with a crime


7 posted on 07/27/2016 9:24:45 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Rap music: Soundtrack of the retarded.)
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To: PROCON

This won’t change any minds. They will say that all guns start out owned by legal owners. They will say that they only way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals is to outlaw all private ownership.

There is a variant to this where they want to make it prohibitively expensive to own a gun. One way would be to require gun owners to have insurance that would indemnify any one for any damages caused by the gun even if the gun is no longer owned by that person. Or, more simply, make the gun owner an accessory to any crime committed by anyone who later owns that gun regardless of how that criminal acquired the gun. Even if a person stole your gun and then used it to kill someone, you would be considered an accessory to that murder.


8 posted on 07/27/2016 9:25:19 AM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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“For instance, 10 states plus the District of Columbia have laws in place requiring gun owners to report the theft or loss of firearms to law enforcement, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a group that advocates for stronger firearm regulations.”

Camel’s nose, meet tent. Steps 1)-5)
1) Enact “safe storage” laws so those guns won’t be stolen.
2) Enact super-stringent regulations regarding “safe storage”.
3) Enact laws that allow police, with approval of owner, to inspect “safe storage”.
4) Enact laws that allow police to make surprise inspections and entry without owners approval.
5) Enact laws to allow confiscation of guns not in “safe storage”.

A lot of those “lost guns” are probably cover-up excuses by Straw Buyers and/or to disarm (pun intended) the “lost in a boating accident” meme.


9 posted on 07/27/2016 9:27:53 AM PDT by Oatka (Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Too high for Pittsbugh, PA? Not necessarily.

And yes, the article did examine straw purchases.

Nationally, of course, the percentage is much lower.

10 posted on 07/27/2016 9:28:56 AM PDT by PROCON (Americans First or Terrorists First - Choose in November)
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To: Red in Blue PA
It could have been a “legal purchase” by a girlfriend but an illegally “possessed” weapon.

My Constitution doesn't designate ANY weapon as being "illegally purchased" or "possessed".

11 posted on 07/27/2016 9:42:16 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: Made In The USA
- Demographics of those charged with a crime

Dat's RAYCISS!

12 posted on 07/27/2016 9:43:41 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: DugwayDuke
Even if a person stole your gun and then used it to kill someone, you would be considered an accessory to that murder.

If you voted Democrat you approved abortion; therefore you are an accessory to all THOSE murders! Turn it back on them.

13 posted on 07/27/2016 9:46:52 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: Oatka; All

If they truly were concerned about “gun safety”, they would subsidize 100% the cost of home monitoring, and also give tax credits for the purchase of safes which cost several thousand dollars.

But we don’t see these common sense things, because quite simply they would like to jail law abiding gun owners.


14 posted on 07/27/2016 9:47:36 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obamca loves America)
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To: PROCON

Don’t think this is a pro-gun article. They are going to argue that all transfers need NICS checks, I mean just LOOK, there are 80% OF CRIMES WE CAN STOP.

See?


15 posted on 07/27/2016 9:50:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Muslims kill people because they're sick of being called violent! They're violent over Islamophobia!)
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I never said it was PRO-gun.

Most of the WAPO gun articles can be summed up by:

Our study shows ALL guns are bad.

The end.

16 posted on 07/27/2016 10:05:21 AM PDT by PROCON (Americans First or Terrorists First - Choose in November)
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Right....


17 posted on 07/27/2016 11:26:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Muslims kill people because they're sick of being called violent! They're violent over Islamophobia!)
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To: PROCON
Based on the feedback, I think the headline was a little misleading, sounding like 20% of legal gun owners committed crimes. It should read” Of all the guns confiscated in “gun crimes” in Pittsburg, only 20 % were legally acquired weapons.

The take away is that 4 out of 5 gun crimes are committed with stolen or illegally possessed guns(IE: underage, etc.)

18 posted on 07/27/2016 11:40:20 AM PDT by jazv
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To: PROCON

The “study” uses this information to claim that there should be universal gun registration.

Whatever the research, the answer is “More Second Amendment Infringements!”

“The disparity we found in firearms reported stolen by women may be due to girlfriends and spouses making straw purchases for their male partners,” Fabio said. “But the overriding issue here is that these numbers are just estimates. Even police departments do not have the resources to accurately and consistently track firearms used in illegal activities.”

The researchers recommended more public education about how to safely store firearms and systematic” collaboration between public health experts and law enforcement to reduce violent crimes and to improve access to data on guns.”

Systematic collaboration between “public health experts” and police? Because “public health experts” are such renouned criminologists and crime experts?

Just a Bloomberg funded propaganda effort.


19 posted on 07/27/2016 12:15:06 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: PROCON

The “study” uses this information to claim that there should be universal gun registration.

Whatever the research, the answer is “More Second Amendment Infringements!”

“The disparity we found in firearms reported stolen by women may be due to girlfriends and spouses making straw purchases for their male partners,” Fabio said. “But the overriding issue here is that these numbers are just estimates. Even police departments do not have the resources to accurately and consistently track firearms used in illegal activities.”

The researchers recommended more public education about how to safely store firearms and systematic” collaboration between public health experts and law enforcement to reduce violent crimes and to improve access to data on guns.”

Systematic collaboration between “public health experts” and police? Because “public health experts” are such renouned criminologists and crime experts?

Just a Bloomberg funded propaganda effort.


20 posted on 07/27/2016 12:26:45 PM PDT by marktwain
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