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1 posted on 02/10/2016 8:13:15 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007
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2 posted on 02/10/2016 8:16:01 PM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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Lol, more nonsense from the cult of Donald.

Try to distract from Trump saying tonight he is going to change and can change into anything he wants.

I guess going from a leftist his whole life to Republican for the nomination, he can go back to his big government liberalism.

The cult will be shocked!!! ( but even then still support him )


3 posted on 02/10/2016 8:16:06 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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This is stupid. What if china declares Trump a Chinese and not legal to be dual citizen. Does that mean trump is now ineligible.


4 posted on 02/10/2016 8:17:31 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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The Constitution doesn’t matter anymore anyway. So why not, because he has good intentions and the end justifies the means.


5 posted on 02/10/2016 8:18:26 PM PST by r_barton (We the People of the United States...)
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There are people here who will turn into monsters over this article. Be prepared.


8 posted on 02/10/2016 8:21:19 PM PST by Aria (2016: The gravy train v Donald Trump)
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The only material fact is what the law was then, in 1970, in Canada when Cruz was born.

No, the only material fact is what the law was then, in 1970, in the United States when Cruz was born.

9 posted on 02/10/2016 8:21:26 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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I’m a Trumpster.

PLEASE STOP WITH THIS JUNK. PLEASE.


10 posted on 02/10/2016 8:22:26 PM PST by piytar (http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-number-one-bullet)
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Canadian law is irrelevant and has no binding authority on the US Government or US laws. The relevant US law is found in Title 8 Section 1401 - Citizens at birth. In subsection A, those born on US soil are naturally born as citizens (per the 14th amendment). Subsection G is the section that is relevant to Sen Cruz as he was born beyond the lands of the US but to at least one US citizen parent.


13 posted on 02/10/2016 8:24:12 PM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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Don’t Bogart that joint my friend......

Guess what, Canadian Law does not trump USA Law, my fine pointy head Trumpbot. USA Law says he is a citizen by birth, not a citizen by Naturalization and there are ONLY 2 kinds of citizens, native or born and naturalized.

NBC is not used anywhere except in the Constitutional requirement for POTUS. Native Citizen = NBC. Get used to it, fool.


15 posted on 02/10/2016 8:30:27 PM PST by X-spurt
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Trump played this card twice and still batting ZERO. Same tactic he learned from Obama....when you can not win on issues, get the opposition eliminated with whatever dirt you can drag up. I'm sure Trump has got his legal sharks looking for any nugget he can use.

16 posted on 02/10/2016 8:30:51 PM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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THIS is interesting.


17 posted on 02/10/2016 8:31:47 PM PST by Guenevere (If.the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do....)
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>> There’s a clean question on the table regarding dual citizenship for persons born in Canada prior to 1977 <<

More simply, it turns out that Cruz was correct in his assumption that he didn’t need to renounce his citizenship.


19 posted on 02/10/2016 8:32:18 PM PST by dangus
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As to your assertion that Canada did not recognize dual citizenship before 1977. Louis Riel would have disagreed with your statement of fact as he swung from a noose in 1885. Riel, born in British Canada, later a US citizen, went back to Canada to lead the Metis uprising. He was captured and charged with treason. Riel and his lawyers asserted he could not be charged with treason as he was a US citizen. How can someone betray a country if he was no longer a citizen. He lost that argument, as the court ruled he was a Canadian, and he was subsequently found guilty and hung.


22 posted on 02/10/2016 8:33:46 PM PST by gusty
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I feel as though Cruz is a NBC... or should be.

His mom was a US citizen and that's enough to satisfy me.

It will NOT however be enough to satisfy the democrats if Cruz gets the nomination... they will hoot and holler about it all the way to the election.

It is a liability for him. He needs to somehow have this litigated and get a judgement in his favor... otherwise it will sink him :-(

I'm praying for a reconciliation between Trump and Cruz. They need each other and this nation needs them as a team!

I actually think it will be easier for them to come together than for the Cruzers and Trumpsters to reconcile... I have never seen such venom on both sides. :-/

Trump and Cruz... two flawed men who very well may be the last hope we have.


23 posted on 02/10/2016 8:35:24 PM PST by Bobalu (I'm spitting on my hands, and hoisting the black flag!)
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US law s not affected by what Canada does or does not recognize. From 1968-1972 I went to college in upstate NY, and I had a number of classmates who had US and Canadian citizenship through the operation of different laws. When they turned 18, they had to choose.

I suspect that this was the situation with Cruz - he was a natural born Canadian AND a US citizen from birth, the former under Canadian law, the latter under US law. Because he moved to the US as a child, and in the absence of a military draft, there was never a need to clarify the situation.


25 posted on 02/10/2016 8:37:40 PM PST by Jim Noble (I won't be laughing at the lies when I'm gone, and I won't question what or when or why when I'm gon)
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After a few months of Trudeau the Younger, Canada called and they want him back.


27 posted on 02/10/2016 8:38:19 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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I am very glad to see that after Cruz barely won a three way tie in Iowa and then got thoroughly trounced in New Hampshire getting a third of what Trump did... that the reality of the current situation hasn’t caused them to lose their enthusiasm. Of course this is largely because they are still in denial.

Cruz peaked in Iowa caucus getting just over a quarter of the Republican “votes”. The way that caucuses work in Iowa leaves them open to manipulation by savvy pros like the Cruz team. If it had been a normal primary even in a state like Iowa where Cruz put all his marbles on the table he would have lost by the margins shown in the polls.

I actually do hate to say it, but from here it is all down hill for Cruz. Anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves. So this argument isn’t going to be material in this race. If he is anything like his followers here there is a good chance that Cruz won’t even make it to the convention. He will pack his bags and quit when the going gets tough and the money dries up.


39 posted on 02/10/2016 8:46:11 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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66 Harv. L. Rev. 707 1952-1953

For most purposes, it is not necessary to determine the method by which citizenship has been acquired. But the problem of whether a citizen is natural born or naturalized is important in such areas as denaturalization, expatriation, and qualification for certain offices such as the presidency. (For a discussion of the distinctions made in expatriation, see pp. 739-42 infra.)

When a person is a citizen by jus sanguinis, is he natural born or naturalized? The answer. to this question will determine the applicability of certain expatriation provisions and the citizen's qualification for the presidency. Some courts, relying on dicta in United States v. Wong Kim Ark equating natural born with native born, have indicated that those who claim citizenship solely by parentage are naturalized citizens. But this conclusion seems opposed to the common law concept -which may be assumed to be written into the constitutional requirements for the presidency -that jus sanguinis confers naturalborn citizenship. (See 5o Mich. L. REV. 926 (1952).)I>

50 Mich. L. Rev. 927 1951-1952

The result of the principal case is to limit the category "natural born" to those who become citizens under the doctrine of jus soli; this makes it co-extensive with the term "native born". Of importance in this problem is whether these children took the nationality of their parents at common law, for if they are citizens by virtue of their birth and without the aid of statute, then certainly they are "natural born" and not "naturalized" citizens. In most continental European countries the doctrine of jus sanguinis is applied. England follows the same rule, both by virtue of the common law and under a declaratory statute of 1350 guaranteeing such application. As a result, it is generally concluded, despite occasional dissent, that jus sanguinis was the common law doctrine. (8 1 Willoughby, The Constitution §202 (1922); Flournoy and Hudson, Nationality Laws (1929); Harvard Research in International Law on Nationality, 23 AM. J. INT. L., Spec. Supp. 80 (1929).

What is jus sanguinis? Right of blood, international law, children follow the nationality of the father.

Library of Congress on Immigration & Naturalization(1840-1950):

Married women and children under the age of twenty-one derived citizenship from their husband or father respectively. Children of unsuccessful applicants could apply for citizenship in their own right, at the age of twenty-one.

The 1st major exception to this 1790 Act was that “derivative” citizenship was granted to wives and minor children of naturalized men. From 1790 to 1922, wives of naturalized men automatically became citizens. This also meant that an alien woman who married a U.S. citizen automatically became a citizen. (Conversely, an American woman who married an alien lost her U.S. citizenship, even if she never left the United States.) From 1790 to 1940, children under the age of 21 automatically became naturalized citizens upon the naturalization of their father.

1903 Cyclopedia of law and procedure, Volume 7 (America Law Book Company, New York) By William Mack, Howard Pervear Nash

Children Of Aliens. The child of a citizen father and of an alien mother is a citizen ; but one born of an alien father and of a citizen mother is not a citizen

DOUBLE CITIZENSHIP: In this country a double citizenship exists, for the term applies both to membership in the nation considered as a whole and to membership in the state in which the individual may reside.

So no matter which way the mustard is cut, at best, Cruz is a naturalized US citizen as his citizenship required an Act of Congress as his father was not a US citizen.

48 posted on 02/10/2016 8:52:47 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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Which is why he isn’t real strong against illegal immigration. He can promise anything in a campaign. Just like all politicians do. Then like the Ryan & the Rinos did recently send a toothless bill to Obama to veto SO THEY CAN GO BACK TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS and say WE TRIED! if they had Trump’s balls, and were true conservatives they would have used the power of the purse.


53 posted on 02/10/2016 8:56:33 PM PST by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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These types of articles are maddening.

The standard for being President is NOT citizenship!

The standard is holding the equivalent of a canine pedigree.

You must be a Natural Born Citizen......you know a person whose citizenship flows naturally from the citizenship of the parents......

A puppy with a poodle mom and a poodle dad is a poodle. A pedigreed poodle!

How is a man, born to an American mom and a Canadian father, and born in Canada, a Natural Born Citizen of the United States???????

Answer.....he isn’t. He may or may not be a citizen, but he most assuredly NOT a NBC of the US or anywhere else, even Canada.


59 posted on 02/10/2016 9:13:56 PM PST by Forty-Niner
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