Posted on 07/18/2014 4:55:36 AM PDT by fulltlt
I cant tell you where I was or who was there or when it happened. I dont want to add to this guys humiliation, so I am keeping this vague and generic. I can simply tell you that, some time ago, I found myself in the same vicinity as another married couple.
I certainly cant read their minds, and I dont know what goes on behind the scenes, all I know is that the husband couldnt seem to utter a single phrase that wouldnt provoke exaggerated eye-rolling from his wife.
She disagreed with everything he said.
She contradicted nearly every statement.
She nagged him.
She brought up a funny story that made him out to be incompetent and foolish. He laughed, but he was embarrassed.
She was gutting him right in front of us. Emasculating him. Neutering him. Damaging him.
It was excruciating.
It was tragic.
It also was, or is becoming, pretty par-for-the-course.
The respect deficiency in our culture has reached crisis levels.
Ive discussed at length how men should treat women. Ive written about the lessons I plan to teach my son; lessons about how he should love, honor, respect, serve, and protect the women in his life. Indeed, men need to respect women, and we, as men, are far from perfect in that regard.
Those posts the ones where I call on us men to improve the way we treat women tend to be very popular. Theyre popular when I write them or when anyone writes them. Proclaim that women, mothers, and wives should be respected, and a chorus will shout amen. Every day on Facebook brings us another viral post excoriating men and supporting women. Ive written a few of them myself.
But Ive noticed that the corollary a message about the respect women must give men, a message challenging wives and encouraging husbands isnt quite so palatable for many people. Disrespect for men has become standard practice. That scene I witnessed was sad but unremarkable; weve all watched that kind of thing play out a thousand times over.
Men are disrespected by their wives theyre disrespected publicly, theyre disrespected privately, theyre disrespected and then told that they have no right to be upset about it because they arent worthy of respect in the first place.
Disrespect for men is a joke to us now. A little while ago I stopped on the way home from work to buy my wife some flowers. As she rang me up, the cashier quipped: Uh-oh, whatd you do? I wasnt particularly amused, but I chuckled. She continued. I dont know if thisll be enough to get you off the couch tonight!
Ah, yes, the old husband is punished by his wife and sent to the couch meme. Im not sure if this actually happens in real life, or if its an invention of 90′s all men are fat, witless, oafs sitcoms, but the popularity of the stereotype is telling. Is this how we see husbands now? A man gets in trouble with his wife, she scolds him and puts him in time-out on the couch. Now he has to placate his alpha-bride by showering her with flowers and jewelry.
Men are painted like children or dogs. They can be shooed off of their own beds by their wives and sent to cower in the living room until she permits him to return. This is only slightly less offensive than the cliché of the sadistic wife who punitively withholds sex from her husband. You didnt clean the garage like I told you. No sex for you, mister! Next time, follow my instructions!
Did you ever see this Samsung ad from several months ago?
A worthless, grunting, Neanderthal of a husband instantly evolves when his wife plugs a contraption into his back. The ad caused a slight dust up when they released it, but nothing NOTHING like it would have if the husband and wife had switched roles in this charming piece of viral marketing.
But with men on the receiving end, a few people complained, some angry Youtube comments were posted, Samsung sales were unscathed, and everyone quickly moved on with their lives.
Thats because disrespect for men isnt exactly a trendy outrage.
These cultural messages arent harmful because they hurt my manly feelings; theyre harmful because of what they do to young girls. Society tells our daughters that men are boorish dolts who need to be herded like goats and lectured like school boys. Then they grow up and enter into marriage wholly unprepared and unwilling to accept the Biblical notion that wives should submit to their husbands because the husband is the head of the wife. [Ephesians 5]
It is a fatal problem, because the one thing that is consistently withheld from men and husbands respect is the one thing we need the most.
Yes, need. We need respect, and that need is so deeply ingrained that a marriage cannot possibly survive if the man is deprived of it.
Often, people will say that a husband should only be respected if he earns it. This attitude is precisely the problem. A wife ought to respect her husband because he is her husband, just as he ought to love and honor her because she is his wife. Your husband might deserve it when you mock him, berate him, belittle him, and nag him, but you dont marry someone in order to give them what they deserve. In marriage, you give them what youve promised them, even when they arent holding up their end of the bargain.
This doesnt mean that a man has a license to be lazy, or abusive, or uncaring. He is challenged to live up to the respect his wife affords him. If his wife parcels out her respect on some sort of reward system basis, the husband has nothing for which to strive. As the respect diminishes, so too does his motivation to behave respectably. Respect is wielded like a ransom against him, and he grows more isolated and distant all the while.
They both swirl in circles around the drain. He fails, so she gives him no respect, and then he continues to fail because he feels disrespected, and she continues to give him no respect because he continues to fail. And so on, and so on, and so on, all the way to the divorce attorney.
The same thing happens with love. If love is unconditional, then the light of love always shines in your marriage, even in its darkest times. But if your love is given in direct proportion to your spouses ability to earn it, then it will inevitably diminish and fade over time.
Love in a marriage is, as people often point out, a choice. But its also a duty. So is respect. I love my wife because I choose to love her. I choose to love her because that is the vow I made; it is my charge, my warrant. Luckily, its usually pretty easy to love my wife because shes kind, warmhearted, and beautiful. But if she becomes less kind, and I withdraw my love because of it, then my love was never love to begin with. It was just a pleasant feeling; a natural response to her nicer tendencies.
This is not to say that women should tolerate a man who fails in his duties, but that her intolerance for his failures can only be constructive if it is rooted in respect. Sadly, many women will approach their husbands and say: You need to stop doing such and such or start doing such and such, because youre a failure and I dont respect you.
She might not explicitly state this, but it is the message she implicitly sends. There is zero chance that this message will help to heal the damage; it only plunges another dagger into the already gaping wound.
A few months ago I wrote a post about pornography. I stand by every word I typed, but I feel like I could add another couple thousand sentences to the end of it. Ever since I published that piece, I have heard from hundreds and hundreds of men and women on both sides of the porn problem.
Men emailed to tell me that they developed a porn habit and it did great damage to their marriage. But they told me that they resorted to porn after years of being disrespected, shunned and belittled by their wives. They werent making an excuse only offering some perspective and context.
And hundreds of women told me that their husbands developed a porn habit and it caused them to lose all respect for them. This inability to respect their husbands nearly, or in some cases completely, wrecked their marriage.
A vicious cycle. The men didnt want to fight for a marriage if they werent respected, and the women didnt want to respect men who wouldnt fight for their marriage. He withholds his love, she withholds her respect. Theyve both set fire to the thing that needs to be fixed.
Respect is our language. If it isnt said with respect, we cant hear it. This is why nagging is ineffective and self defeating. This is why statements made in sarcastic tones, or with rolling eyes, will never be received well. We have a filter in our brains, and a statement made in disrespect will be filtered out like the poison it is.
Men are notoriously reluctant to share feelings or display vulnerability. Many times, we keep those inner thoughts locked away our feelings guarded and hidden because we know we are not respected. A man will never be vulnerable to someone who doesnt respect him. Never.
A man isnt satisfied or content if he isnt respected. If he cant find respect where he is, he will seek it somewhere else. This can have disastrous implications for a relationship, but it applies in other areas of life as well. A man is much more likely to stay in a low paying job, a physically demanding job, a dangerous job, or a tedious job, than a job where he isnt respected.
Im only emphasizing this because I think it might actually be news to some people. Society does not permit men to be vocal about their need for respect, so the need is often ignored.
I could sit here all day adding yes, but husbands also need to
disclaimers. I wont, because Ive probably written a dozen or more times on that subject. Every once in a while, I think we should talk about what wives need to do. And here it is. This, above all else. Respect your husbands. Even when he doesnt deserve it.
If we resort to all out warfare, the worst thing that happens is that she will put the toilet paper on the dispenser backwards.
Just had our 37th anniversary.
Even if a woman can’t bring herself to force herself to respect her husband, she can at least choose to NOT tear him down and belittle him to and in front of others.
That includes the eye-rolling and little barbs in conversation.
It’s a small first step, but it’s a move in the right direction.
I also think that the way men are portrayed in movies and TV shows has a lot to do with women’s attitudes towards them. The sitcoms are the worst in tearing down men.
That is true.
Any woman worth her salt wants a man to be protective and decisive.
I know it's a fine line, to walk between being decisive and overbearing, but I do think that it can be done.
The last thing a woman wants is another dependent child in a man's body.
.Look. .the truth is. . it is a woman's nature to idolize a truly respectable man. . .a woman is not truly happy until she finds a man she can trust, love and, . . .hell, worship. . .(yea. . I said it. .take a picture of it. . send it to 'em!!)
You are soooo right.....
I have noticed over many years, the tendency to treat those we are closest with, and who we say mean the most to us, in ways that we would never dream of treating a stranger.
Maybe it's that familiarity breeds contempt, but even something as simple as how we talk to each other.
When I realized that I was more courteous with strangers than my own family, that was a real wake up call. I thought that if I go to the effort of treating people I don't know, don't care about, and will probably never see again, so well, why not the people who I claim mean the most to me?
So sweet. Hats off to you and yours.
I’m not sure what you can do about it, but speaking as a wife and mother (whose kids are now grown) she is wrong.
Her first priority is YOUR home and her family, you and the kids. Feeding the family and keeping the home clean is part of the job description.
Unfortunately, with her *friends* feeding her those lines, I don’t know what to tell you other than I will pray that she comes to her senses.
But, I see the failure even here. Men disrespecting their wives by ogling other women, guilty or not responses on FR. That woman let herself go, etc.
Men also disrespecting their wives by being workaholics.
No woman is going to be respecting a man who throws her under the bus to anyone and anything else that comes along to take up his time.
Gee, if he was a she that would be "blaming the victim."
Pray tell...how should he go about DISallowing himself being treated that way?
Oh, and without being verbally, emotionally, or any other kind of ally abusive....?
Likewise, it's certainly easier to be a good wife when your husband is being a good husband. Men are supposed to lead.
One thing I've noticed that is a problem, is the mentality that women are there just to take care of the men. Some men are so doted on my their mothers, that they expect the same from their wives and treat them like some kind of second class citizen who is there simply to meet his needs and allow him to live as he pleases with no thought of her.
A friend related to me once how her m-i-l bragged that while growing up, her sons never wanted for anything. My friend said to her, *And you didn't do your future daughters-in-law any favors*.
No woman wants an overgrown child who treats her like some kind of servant or second class citizen.
dog.
"Mud" seems to fit, too.
You can't lead someone who refuses to follow.
In my experience, the last thing a woman wants is to follow a husband anywhere but where she wanted to go anyway.
Bingo! Sometimes, it's 110%. Unless there is some ridiculous disparity, keeping score has no future, either. Communication is the key.
I agree. I would have as quietly and graciously as possible excused myself and left the room. Later there would have been a very simple talk about undue public humiliation. "Never again."
Imagine a race of men with one arm bigger than the other...
First dispel the myth of "unconditional love." There's no such thing, except from God. Loving marriages are built on reciprocity.
Anyone asking for unconditional love is asking you to be their doormat.
Next, ask yourself if she's worth what she's asking of you. If not, tell her that.
Whoa! somebody's GRUMPY!! LOL!! You could very well be right!!
>saying it is a command doesnt answer the question about how many men do you know fulfilling that command?
The answer is a precious remnant who go to the Lord- asking by faith. God knows the number alone.
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