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Revealed: The Names Of The Purported Obama Birth Certificate Forgers Unsealed
Birther Report ^ | 5-12-2014

Posted on 05/12/2014 3:30:28 PM PDT by Sam Troy

DC Reporter Randy Foreman today obtained a copy of Doug Vogt's sealed filing now at the US Supreme Court which includes the list of people Doug Vogt believes forged Obama's long-form birth certificate. The list includes, Johanna Ah'Nee, Kevin Davidson(Dr. Conspiracy), Loretta Fuddy, and Alvin Onaka... Miki Booth implicated...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; congress; naturalborncitizen; obama; paranoia
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To: Ray76

Don’t forget the USCG rescue swimmers and helicopter crews. Also the Maui Rescue and Fire Department helicopter crew and swimmers. And the doctors, nurses and paramedics and news media and coroners. And any witnesses on the beach.

221 posted on 05/14/2014 6:58:23 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: Fred Nerks; butterdezillion

If you people have a serious problem with the way I run FR, why the hell don’t you just go start your own damned site. No one’s stopping you.

222 posted on 05/14/2014 7:36:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: LucyT

Pre-hijack, wasn’t there a thread going on here, or something?

223 posted on 05/14/2014 7:43:57 PM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: butterdezillion

Welcome back. I’ve missed you, truly.

As a veteran I never took umbrage. Never.

224 posted on 05/14/2014 7:44:35 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: butterdezillion

Could you post a link to your blog?

225 posted on 05/14/2014 8:24:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: dagogo redux

There was a thread until someone who had been waiting for four years to bring it up, pounced at the opportunity:

And then the resident attack dog came in for the kill. Between the nanny demanding apologies and the thread police, there wasn’t much room left to discuss the issue.

Anyway, as usual as a result of trying to pour oil on troubled waters, with suggestions that members often don’t behave like civilized people should behave, I have been invited to leave.

Now you can get back to your regular programming, in which the resident pinger rules the roost and tells you what you may read and when you may read it.

I checked the Birther Report site and imo they are a bunch of idiots, regurgitating stuff that’s been pre-digested. That UK PI sounds like a fraud imo, and lots and lots of forgers isn’t necessarily better than one. Miki Booth might be a little controversial, but implicating her in a forgery isn’t smart.

Who is this guy? A male version of Orly?

226 posted on 05/14/2014 8:39:16 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: humblegunner; Lazamataz; Eaker; NYTexan; mylife; thackney; butterdezillion
You wield a skirt better than any woman I know.

Whoa, baby! That turns me on. Can we get a peek at that routine in October @ TCMS? I'll bring some dollar bills.

227 posted on 05/14/2014 9:12:48 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Jim Robinson

Sorry you took it personally. Most of what I wrote concerned itself with the behaviour of some members for which you cannot be held responsible. But you might consider reigning in the favoured attack-dog. He’s out of hand and rabid.

228 posted on 05/14/2014 9:21:20 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

B/S. You wrote it. Don’t try to push the blame off on someone else. I repeat, if you don’t like FR, leave. I’m not changing any policies to please you. But what ever you do, quit your incessant whining about FR. I’m not going to argue about this. And this this applies to any other whiners. If you continue whining and hijacking threads beyond this point, I’ll close your accounts.

229 posted on 05/14/2014 9:28:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: humblegunner

As I watch birthers duke it out from the sidelines, I wonder to myself ... what would parsifal say? Probably something witty.

Buckeye, who pictures parsy giggling hysterically somewhere in the ether

(Damn. Where did I put that Sanity Squad ping list?)

230 posted on 05/14/2014 9:32:31 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Fred Nerks; humblegunner

Shall we send him back to the Group W bench? Because, I have “twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one” documenting his crimes for the world to see.

231 posted on 05/14/2014 9:38:11 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

May I suggest Rorschach_test

232 posted on 05/14/2014 9:57:25 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Fred Nerks

Aha, you have been trolling again? Reeling them in are you?


233 posted on 05/14/2014 10:01:53 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(
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To: hoosiermama

We tried that on him already. His answers never varied: a gun, a blogpimp, or a beer.

234 posted on 05/14/2014 10:07:35 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan


235 posted on 05/14/2014 10:10:17 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Candor7
Yep. But I hooked an old boot this time. Not to worry, we've got a great Federal Budget, our government is run by adults who are ridgey-didge dinky-di conservatives, we've had a lot or good rain, the grass is up to the knees of the cattle in the paddocks, and all's well DownUnder. I'm never going to whine again. The truck just left with 60 head and that aught to put at least 60K in my pocket, I'm laughing. How are your apples? I've been meaning to ask you, have you ever thought of planting oaks and growing truffles? I could get you a good truffle snuffler...

236 posted on 05/14/2014 10:26:52 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

We don’t want any hangins

237 posted on 05/14/2014 10:57:40 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party)
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To: Fred Nerks

I’m trying to understand the scenario, nothing more.

238 posted on 05/14/2014 11:00:24 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party)
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To: Ray76

I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in someone’s teeth. ;p

239 posted on 05/14/2014 11:03:35 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Ray76; Fred Nerks

I have no way of knowing because the image that I know is genuinely from the funeral and shows some of the interior of the casket doesn’t seem to match the photoshopped images. What’s in the middle of the casket in the genuine photo looks dark and round, not like the pasty-white hands from the other images. There’s not much empty space on either side of the person, in the casket showing the hands. But it seems like you can see the whole side cushion inside the coffin in the genuine photo - with no arms, torso or anything showing. The style of the casket seems different - rounded top versus flat top, different profile when the lid was open, etc. The images just don’t seem to match.

And I can’t help but wonder why they photoshopped the other images.

So I don’t know. I have no way of knowing. What I do know is that something seems screwy, with the photoshopping and the images not seeming to match.

And I suppose Fred is right. I suppose you’re setting me up to laugh at me, because of course funerals are NEVER faked. Reading a bit, I find that drownings are the easiest way to fake a death because there doesn’t have to be a body. That makes it all the more interesting that the acting coroner’s information officer, Lt William Juan, was quoted in the LA Times the day after the crash, saying that Fuddy’s body was retrieved from the wreckage. The confusion over how many people were in the plane, how many swam ashore, who picked them out of the water, etc means that to this day the public claims of what really happened don’t match the number of people reported in the records as having been retrieved. There are differing numbers reported as having been transported. The lat-longitude coordinates for where the helos went when they transported people make no sense.

Confusion like that allowed several different claims to be an option - from Fuddy drowning and her body not being found, to her drowned body being retrieved from the wreckage, to her dying in the water, to her being in critical condition when found but dying while she was being worked on... And almost all those stories have been simultaneously claimed by different people in the reports or in the media statements. There may have been Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, and Plan D, and people got confused over which one was actually going to be used. Maybe it depended on how things went. For whatever reason, the timing of the crash being discovered, the media report of one dead, the timing of when the helicopters were where and what was in the Fire Dept versus the USCG CAD transcripts, when the aircraft arrived, etc were all off as well as the stories of where and in what condition Fuddy was found, by whom, by whom she was lifted, where she was taken once lifted, etc, which are all off. They have internal and external inconsistencies. Which is what clued in a lot of people (including myself) to the suspicious nature of this crash, even before the video surfaced showing extra people and equipment in the water.

At there is a 2002 interview with the guy who founded the federal Witsec program. I believe around the 30-minute mark he says that they don’t need to do elaborate schemes to make it appear that somebody died because the US is a big enough place that a person can effectively be hidden (Note that this was in 2002 - before we had surveillance cameras, drones, etc all over the place). And that’s probably true for low-profile people. It might not be as true for somebody widely-known, and especially if it is somebody people all over the country might recognize and suspect as still being alive.

Such a person might not so easily hide in this age of surveillance and social media - as evidenced by the fact that by the time of Fuddy’s funeral a dear Freeper sleuth had discovered Fuddy’s alternate facebook account using the name she thought only her friends would recognize: Deliana Antone, the name under which it is claimed that she bought with cash a multi-million-dollar house in Florida shortly after her alleged death.

An interesting factoid about the FEDERAL WITSEC program: people in the program are not allowed to contact their non-protected friends and relatives after getting their new identity and are urged to choose a new LAST NAME but to keep their original first name. By using Deliana instead of Loretta, Fuddy would have ensured that her friends and family would be able to know it was her - and especially since she already had a facebook account under that name (though it is impossible to know who set up that FB account or when...)

Another interesting factoid: the feds will not provide a credit record for the new identity taken by people in the WITSEC program. If such a person wanted to buy a house they would not have the credit references needed to get a loan. They would have to pay cash.

The introduction to that audio clip says, “From arranging fake funerals to obtaining breast implants for a mobster’s wife — the federal witness protection program has done and seen it all. Gerald Shur, the man who created the program, joins Kojo for a behind-the-scenes discussion.” That is just one of the places where it is mentioned that a fake funeral can be part of the process of giving somebody a new identity. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, the Obama regime gave dozens of Benghazi witnesses new identities in order to keep them hidden from Congressional investigators, so the Obama regime probably has the fake funeral streamlined pretty well by now...

HRS 338-17.7 is where the HDOH (under the control of the Director) is authorized to give a new, totally fake BC for somebody with a Hawaii BC if law enforcement says a BC with different claims is necessary for that person’s protection. This may be the law that Fuddy relied upon as a legal fig leaf to cover her behind when she ordered the creation of Obama’s fake BC. As far as I know, a death certificate is not similarly authorized, BUT in HRS 28-101 (seen at ) the Attorney General is given permission to do ANYTHING he/she deems necessary to protect a potential witness in what could potentially be a case (or a mere INVESTIGATION...) with high public interest. Here’s what it says (emphasis mine):

“(a) The attorney general shall establish a statewide witness program through which the attorney general may fund or provide for the security and protection of a government witness or a potential government witness in an official proceeding or investigation where the attorney general determines that an offense such as those described in section 710-1071 (intimidating a witness), 710-1072 (tampering with a witness), or 710-1072.2 (retaliating against a witness) is likely to be committed or which involves great public interest...

“(b) In connection with the security and protection of a witness, a potential witness, or an immediate family member or close associate of a witness or potential witness, the attorney general may fund or take ANY ACTION the attorney general determines to be necessary to protect such person from bodily injury, or to assure the person’s health, safety, and welfare, for as long as, in the judgment of the attorney general, such danger exists.”

Notice this covers a “potential government witness” for any kind of investigation or proceeding. This could be applied to almost any situation that the AG could imagine cropping up in the future, as long as he/she thinks the case would have high public interest.

And “any action” would cover a fake autopsy and death certificate, or anything else. The state AG would have the authority to order the Maui County Police Chief to fake an autopsy, for instance, or request the USCG to lie about what happened in a staged rescue call.

That is a LOT of leeway. The state AG has a signed blank check in that statute. And that would be David Louie - the guy who would never say for sure whether Neal Palafox was being investigated for Medicare billing fraud, when they forced Palafox to resign (while lying and saying he resigned for “personal reasons”) so they could get Fuddy as HDOH director instead, the day after Birtherreport reported that Gov. Abercrombie had told Mike Evans there wasn’t a birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii...

And of course, though the state statute probably means the STATE AG in that statute, rather than the US AG, it is interesting to note that when the Maui County Police Chief was deciding on the cause of death for Fuddy, the US Attorney General’s wife was there in Maui along with Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarrett, demanding the chief provide lots and lots of security for them so they were constantly in his face. Michelle was staying there indefinitely, but the day that the Police Chief announced cardiac arrhythmia as the accidental cause of death, it was revealed that Michelle would be going back to DC.

At it lists some notable faked deaths.

Another list of faked deaths is at where it says:

“Daryl Pinksen said...

I thought it might be useful to provide a list of links to stories about people who tried, and ultimately failed, to fake their own deaths.(It is worth noting that those who are successful in the attempt do not make the news.)

Consider that these cases date only from the past decade or so, and represent only those that turned up in a quick Google search. If we extrapolate this rate back 400 years, the scenario does become mundane.

The point is that while faking one’s death may be sensational, it is far from extraordinary.

1. Bruce Leyte

2. Patrick McDermott (suspected, Olivia Newton-John’s husband)

3. John Stonehouse

4-6. Carl Hackett, Graham Cardwell, Thomas Osmond

7. Bennie Wint

8. Marcus Shrenk

9. Jenaro Hernandez

10. John Sung Park

11. Daniel Kinge

12. Harry Gordon

13. Bill Grothe

14. Gubraman Subramaniam

15. Sean Lovelock-Woodall (suspected)

16. Bruce Dale

17. Jason Hart

18. John Darwin

19. John Fossett (suspected, later disproved)

20. Jeremy Daniel Oakley

There are other links somebody gave me too, but I can’t find them right now. It’s been a long day and I need to go to bed. Those who want to laugh at me are going to do so no matter what I say anyway so this is really just for the benefit of anybody who cares to know some factual information instead of guffawing based on ignorance.

Means, motive, and opportunity. They were all there that day. Just a couple weeks before this crash, Mike Zullo had told Carl Gallups that they had universe-shattering evidence that was going to require a response from the feds - the feds who could appoint a Congressional investigation having the ability to override Eric Holder’s fox-guarding-the-henhouse position of sabotaging real justice. Given what we know about the NSA, it’s a really good bet that Obama’s people know what evidence Zullo and Arpaio have. They knew this was serious. And it is, people. It is VERY serious.

Serious as a heart attack.

240 posted on 05/14/2014 11:05:08 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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