[backwoods-engineer]

You're welcome. Thanks for reading.

I am a whole lot more critical of Lincoln than I used to be, but then, most of the tyranny resulting from the Civil War came in Reconstruction, after he had been assassinated. Still, I think the Union victory tempted Abe--and he gave in-- to big government.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

I was not approving of Lincoln's actions vis-a-vis the Civil War itself. I am not looking for anything like that from the federal government. It's the events leading to war that are similar it seems to me.

His "house divided speech" IMO matches what's going on today.. just substitute "aged 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, psycho spoiled brats and their ideological issue (the statists)" for slavery advocates. We do have two Americas. It cannot last. One will survive and the other perish.

Of course, there are lots of arguments put forth by patriots prior to the Revolution also that apply today.