Posted on 02/23/2014 3:09:07 PM PST by butterdezillion
The photos of the Loretta Fuddy Cessna crash that Josh Lang provided to the media? They weren't of the same plane. The plane that crashed with Fuddy in it had a window between the door and the tail; Lang's photos don't. (I've got photos at my blog and in the first post I'll post them so you can compare the 2 planes)
Lang apparently had photos of a DIFFERENT plane ditching in the water and gave them to the media, claiming they were of this crash, and apparently the media didn't check out the genuineness of the photos...
Now why would Lang do that? Why would he post images of the area with no passengers or anything else in the water ANYWHERE, rather than taking photos of what was actually there and giving those to the media?
Huh??? I thought I read one of the reports where they did some sightseeing, so I don't remember any animosity.
If you've spent all day with co-workers, successfully resolved all the issues which needed discussing, then brought them to the airport, why would you not just say your goodbyes and head on home? It's not like it's your daughter flying off on a vacation where you wave her off into the air.
You do not know what the issues were, let alone if the issues were resolved ‘successfully’ so spare me the lecture about daughters and vacations...
We were discussing the fact that no one knows who delivered Fuddy or Yamamoto to the airport. Maybe there was a bus from the township to the airport. A bus might be what was needed to get nine people from the town to the airport. Maybe Miller was a passenger on the bus, and the BUS dropped them off and drove away...?
Miller doesn’t say how he happened to be standing on the shore watching the rescue. Maybe it’s because he wasn’t asked?
Maybe someone shoved a potato up the exhaust. JOKING!
So the military aircraft Miller refers to was not involved in the rescue other than making the call to report the accident. Which I imagine would have taken place after the airport closed at 3.30.
The helicopters belonged to Coast Guard, Fire Department and air sea rescue.
There were no Navy helicopters, is that right?
A navy helicopter was photographed there - a Seahawk. And Puentes in his narrative description said that there were 2 helicopters hovering overhead; another one came after Lang. I just saw that as I was reading through the accounts again. I forgot to copy the link when I saved that report so I don’t have that. Sorry about that.
OK, so it’s obvious I better quit, the authorities apparently don’t think they owe the public a full report, the articles in print contain contradictions, the talking heads on TV are only in it for the sensationalism, the eye-witness reports are sketchy because of their limited range of view, and we are trying to construct a scenario out of all that, plus a series of photographs that are mostly captures from an edited video.
I think I’ve taken up enough space here.
US NAVY SEAHAWK HELICOPTER PERFORMS TOUCH AND GO EXCERCISE.
See what I mean? Maybe Miller mispoke when he said AIRCRAFT. Maybe what he saw were Seahawk Helicopters.
We could go on forever and all we might achieve is to correct every mistatement recorded throughout the telling of the event by the numerous individuals involved.
To: Fred Nerks
http://themolokaidispatch.com/kalaupapa-aircraft-wreckage-to-be-recovered-under-investigation/
“Miller called it fortunate that a military aircraft was doing touch and goes at the Kalaupapa airport around the time of the crash and reported the accident. Coast Guard and Maui County Fire Rescue personnel arrived in about 20 minutes and started the rescue operation, said Miller.”
760 posted on Sunday, 2 March 2014 12:37:11 PM by butterdezillion
MILTARY AIRCRAFT TURNS OUT TO BE A NAVY SEAHAWK HELICOPTER?
That’s an accurate summary of what we’re dealing with. There is stuff that accidentally got left in the highly-edited video though, and that stuff raises serious questions.
Lang’s photos also seem photoshopped to me, for the reasons I gave. I didn’t initially think so when others mentioned the shadows because I’m not an expert on shadows, but then I looked more closely at things you don’t need a degree in art to be able to recognize, and I’m now understanding what the other posters were talking about.
I just think we deserve some answers. I’m tired of being lied to. Yeah, mistakes get made; God - and everybody else here - knows some of my mistakes discovered in full view of everyone, for which I have apologized and corrected the mistake. But there are deliberate edits on this video, as well as pixelation at a very strategic time as if ABC was warned (by somebody on my ping list maybe, since ABC knew to pixelate the mp4 files the day I asked my ping list to save the files before they disappeared)... and that is deliberate deception. That’s not cool with me.
And people ridiculing those who say it’s not cool is also not cool with, me. I’m sick of Alinsky. Sick of the circular firing squad. Sick of everybody wanting to be the homecoming queen rather than caring about the truth. We get the government we deserve, and we as a people need to change to speak and respect truth or we will surely perish.
Butterdezillion,
What you said!
Sifting through everything on this incident, we find the inconsistencies in the MSM stories, and that set of inconsistencies is what drives us to look for the answers.
There may be dead ends and wrong turns, but if we persevere and have tenacity, the information will be brought to the light of day.
“Darkness” hates the light....
snif snif
K-kinda gets you choked up, (sniff) don’t it?
AHCHOO!
What was their mission? What were they to do? Kill? Rescue? Observe? What?
RE: “extra people”
What was their mission? What were they to do? Kill? Rescue? Hijack? Sabotage? What?
RE: Lang photos - fake/photoshopped, of a different plane, from a different location
Why? What purpose would be served?
RE: tail numbers
Why? What purpose would be served? Was this just to support allegations about the Lang photos?
I think these concerns have all been put to rest.
You want my theory?
My theory is that the people on board are decent people who would not watch an assassin kill Fuddy. They have kept quiet because they believed what was done was necessary to protect Fuddy - to put her in protective custody, so to speak. And I believe that’s what happened. I believe the extras were there to make sure everybody was safe while Fuddy was retrieved, with either a dummy or another person left there in her place to be the last person picked out of the water. I believe she was taken somewhere to live out the rest of her days under a different identity, just like the Benghazi witnesses were given new identities to keep them away from Congressional investigators. So what I’m suggesting here is nothing bizarre; we already know it’s been done for multiple people to keep them unavailable to investigators.
Obama’s people are very likely to know what Arpaio has on Obama. Just like they knew what happened in Benghazi. And in Fast & Furious. And in the Bin Laden raid. And in Extortion 17. And in the IRS targetings. And in the Boston bombing. And in the Morsi election. And in the Kenyan election. Etc ad nauseum. This is the kind of stuff that this regime does, and there is nothing radical about just coming out and saying that’s how these people operate.
There was a woman there who looks so much like Fuddy that I spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out which one it was. I suspect that she and/or a purplish inflatable filled in for Fuddy once she was taken out from under her life jacket, and perhaps the Fuddy-like woman filled in for her under the blanket while the priest did whatever he did at the care home. The “body” was transported to the Molokai airport where Fuddy’s family (probably sister and brother-in-law) ID’ed the body. The brother-in-law said he was helping out on the ground there in Kalaupapa when he found out there was a family member involved, but the MCFD incident report does not name Scotty Schaefer and though I’d have to check again, IIRC it doesn’t mention EMS from Molokai Hospital, which I believe is who Schaefer works for. The reports said MCFD flew the victims to Molokai (or Maui, depending on which news report is referenced).
I didn’t worry about the funeral at first because I figured if she was still alive they would either claim to have cremated her or have a Hollywood-style mock-up of her in a casket. And if she was dead, then she was dead - which was what I initially believed. But there was something goofy with that funeral, or KITV would not have had to photoshop the casket with her hands showing. In any event, the mourners would not have had to think anything was different than usual - either if they had a mock-up or if they had an urn.
Most, if not all, of the people in that plane knew there were extra people in the water. I suspect that at least some of them were in the plane’s cargo area and exited while Puentes held his hand over the camera making a lot of dark frames that could be edited out later with nobody being any the wiser.
None of the others acted very surprised. None of them said anything about it afterwards. But there the people are in the video. (And there’s more coming) Puentes was prepared with 2 GoPros and a waterproof microphone that he clipped onto his life jacket. Richard Kawasaki, the media liaison for the MCFD, was prepared with his story of one dead - 4 minutes before the Coast Guard was confirmed as being on-site and I think 20 minutes before anybody at the MCFD even knew how many the USCG had picked up - and Fuddy was the last one they picked up. If they picked her up; they claimed to have picked up 3, but the 73-year-old woman, Kawasaki, and the 70ish-year-old man make 3 without Fuddy.
In short, I believe this was a planned crash with people arranged to be there to keep a close watch and keep everybody safe. I believe the photography may have been to prove that they did not kill Fuddy, and that they did their jobs to keep everybody safe. With those extra people in the water it is clear that something was up, and if I was any one of those passengers I would want video to prove that I did not kill Fuddy. The edited video was supposed to satisfy all of us, or at least provide a way for the media and other “concerned” people to ridicule anybody who still claimed the Fuddy death was suspicious. But there was so much going on - so many extra people to try to avoid, so many things we were supposed to be kept from seeing, and only so much film. As a result, some things got left in there that nobody was supposed to see because it was dark and zipped by too fast for anybody to see.
I bet they were laughing their buns off at using that video as proof against the “conspiracy kooks”, wiping our faces in the fact that they can even turn evidence against them into evidence against us. Just like they did with the fake long-form and the verification that actually verified that Obama’s BC is legally non-valid. That is just how these people ARE. They mock truth every chance they get. You’ve seen it.
So. That’s what I believe.
You keep on believing that then, Ray, and don’t worry about me or anybody else who still has questions about the many discrepancies and the things we see in the water. You just move on to something else where you think you can help set the wrong things right, and I’ll keep doing the same from my end.
Why on earth would you need to crash a plan with all those peope witnessing it and risking so many lives, when all you need to do to take someone into protective custody is to knock on their door when it’s dark. This is how crazy you are that you would think somebody would make up a mad crash scenario to achieve something that is done without fuss every day of the week. If you can’t explain why they went to so much trouble, your theory fails entirely. You are entering into madwoman territory.
Judging by the volume of TROLLS you have collected, I have to say YOU ARE ON TO SOMETHING !
WAY TO GO !
If Fuddy quietly faded into the night there would be suspicion and no way for people like you to call the skeptics lunatics.
Just about the only argument that has been made against the evidence I have presented that suggests something screwy happened is that it would be just too crazy to believe that somebody did this. Take away that Alinsky argument based on normalcy bias that ignores everything this regime is ALREADY known to have done, and the regime has nothing.
This regime patterns itself after Josef Goebbels, who was able to get the German people to ignore killing factories that burned millions of their fellow humans by simply having the audacity to do it. The reasoning that gave them the audacity to “just do it”? People will believe a big lie before they will believe a little one. Why? Because normalcy bias is such a strong force. Nobody can believe anybody would have the audacity - or reason - to do big evil.
And in this case, the people involved did not believe it was evil, I am convinced. They did what they had to, to protect “their family”.
IMHO
Ray76, the “this is too crazy” argument is about the only argument that people have used on ALL the eligibility evidence. You know that it is not “too crazy” to say that the regime committed massive fraud. The evidence is very clear. And yet they get away with it because the normalcy bias and Alinsky tactics (and a few well-timed deaths like Breitbart...) allow people to think “it could never happen here”. So they are even bolder now than before, seeing how willing the American public is to be duped. They believe that as long as they have “plausible deniability” they’ve got it made. Doesn’t matter if extra people and equipment show up in the water on video; it can always be claimed that it is just “too crazy” to think there’s really that stuff there, and then people won’t believe their “lyin’ eyes”.
What’s sad is that they may well get away with anything they want simply because - like Goebbels - they know human nature and they have the propaganda machine and the ability to silence dissent. A really, really dangerous combination.
Thank you. That’s how it seems to me too.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.