“As for Fremont, absolutely no challenge that I could find any record of. After reading about him, I looked.
“He ran for President, and lost. But there is no sign anyone ever cared that he was the son of an obvious Frenchman who only wanted to leave the United States and get back to France. Or that anyone ever had the slightest idea that he was thereby ineligible to the Presidency.”
Jeff Winston, you missed the fact that Fremont’s biological father was not his legal father. Fremont’s legal parents were both NBC. Under international law at the time a child does not receive nationality from a father outside of wedlock and all children born in legal marriage are children of the marriage whether biological or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Fr%C3%A9mont
Frémont’s mother, Anne Beverley Whiting, was the youngest daughter of socially prominent Virginia planter Col. Thomas Whiting. The colonel died when Anne was less than a year old. Her mother married Samuel Cary, who soon exhausted most of the Whiting estate. At age 17 Anne married Major John Pryor, a wealthy Richmond resident in his early 60s. In 1810 Pryor hired Charles Fremon, a French immigrant who had fought with the Royalists during the French Revolution, to tutor his wife. In July 1811 Pryor learned that his wife and Fremon were having an affair. Confronted by Pryor, the couple left Richmond together on July 10, 1811, creating a scandal that shook city society.[6] Pryor published a divorce petition in the Virginia Patriot, in which he charged that his wife had “for some time past indulged in criminal intercourse.” Mrs. Pryor and Fremon moved first to Norfolk, Virginia, to live as man and wife (though unmarried); they later settled in Savannah, Georgia. Mrs. Pryor financed the trip and purchase of a house in Savannah by selling recently inherited slaves valued at $1,900. When the Virginia House of Delegates refused Mr. Pryor’s divorce petition, it was impossible for the couple to marry. In Savannah, Mrs. Pryor took in boarders while Fremon taught French and dancing. On January 21, 1813, their first child, John Charles Fremon, was born.[7] The son was born out of wedlock, a serious social handicap.
Nice try, but Pryor was never Fremont’s father. Not in name, not in fact, not in anything.
In fact, it is doubtful that either one ever even saw or met the other.
Not to belabor the obvious, but FREMONT was Fremont’s father.
And absolutely everyone knew it.
Wow. You are just so desperate to try and twist the Constitution and history, aren’t you? You guys will go to just about any length imaginable, even insisting that someone who was not in any way related to another person, who never acted as a father to that person in any way, and who (as far as we know) never even MET that person was that person’s “father.”
Unbelievable.
And you say it’s because of “international law.” You insist that only NATURAL law can make a person a natural born citizen, but when you have a person whose NATURAL AND BIOLOGICAL father was clearly a Frenchman, whose FUNCTIONAL father was clearly a Frenchman, whose IDENTIFIED father was clearly a Frenchman and whose NAMED father was clearly a Frenchman, you then claim that the law of “natural born citizenship” made some COMPLETELY UNRELATED PERSON several states over in Virginia the kid’s father!
Your claims are simply FALSE. Virtually no one has ever agreed with them, throughout all of American history. The few who have (Ramsay, for instance) have been promptly overruled.
Your view has ALWAYS been (at best) a way-out-on-the-fringe view... except for the very vast stretches of American history in which it wasn’t even perceived to exist at all.
So in other words, John Fremont was a natural born Citizen eligible to run for president and Jeff Winston was obfuscating that fact?
Thanks for the Ping; I’m still 350+ posts behind, trying to catch up. It’s a great thread, troll/SP infestation warts and all. :)
This post by fellow FReeper Sourcery is a well written and reasoned piece on Natural Born Citizenship:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2840767/posts
Recommended.