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To: INVAR; Jim Robinson; stephenjohnbanker; onyx; Lakeshark; Chunga; little jeremiah; muawiyah; All
In your lofty words of praise for our esteemed Founder in your post #658, you have failed to understand and fully comprehend the message that he conveyed in his post of 22 August, which is:

The only chance that we have to defeat 0bama is to pull the lever for Romney & Ryan. No conservative likes that prospect. In fact it wasn't too long ago that I was firmly in the camp of the Mitt bashers and I took a back seat to NObody when it came to generating sneers, jeers and smears to the laughter of the crowds who applauded my home brewed graphics mocking Romney, and my choice was literally ANYBODY but Romney so far as the GOP nomination was concerned. My moment of truth was when I had to consider that if I continued to pursue my opposition to Romney, that I would by default, be assisting the re-election of the most wicked and despicable sonuvab*tch in all of American history, even over and above the Buffoon from Georgia, Jimmy Carter.

To utilize an analogy that I have applied in the past, in World War II, we didn't like or approve of how Joe Stalin ran the Soviet Union, we didn't particularly like the way he oppressed and mistreated the Russian people. But Joe Stalin had the only substantial military force in Europe and Asia with the capability, albeit somewhat impaired, to take on Hitler's forces and that is why we were allied in a common cause with Uncle Joe, because the GREATER enemy was in Berlin, and we backed it up with all the lend lease we could send to Moscow, regardless of our views about the true nature of Communism and how it was the antithesis of everything we hold dear under our Constitution. The question today, with over 70 years to reflect is, 'what other decision could we have made?' What other choice could have been considered when the risk of being wrong would mean the victory of Nazism over all of Europe and Asia, and possibly the Western world as well?

Now you seem to have the idea that someone has personally 'threatened' you in this thread, so I challenge you now to go back and find ANY post of mine which made such personal threats, and you can take your time, because you're not going to find any. Likewise, you are not going to find ANY posts of mine that 'ridicule your faith and Christianity' because those posts too, do not exist except in your obviously confused mind. Will you find blunt talking, no niceties, smack-you-upside-the-head responses to your holier-than-thou proclamations?

You better believe you will, because as the late Johnny Cash said, "lies have to be covered up, truth can run around naked" and the truth IS that you and your 'Principled Conservatives' who decide to sit this one out, or decide to throw your votes away on some third party Quixote-like candidate that WILL NOT WIN WILL be assisting in the re-election of 0bama by denying your votes to the only possible ticket with a shot at winning. THAT is the truth, and if that is your decision you better be prepared to live with it.

Now as to your displeasure regarding responses to your posts, do you really expect that THINKING conservatives who understand the threat that will be manifested to what's left of our Nation should 0bama be re-elected, when faced and confronted with your obstinate, fingers-in-your-ears-going-nyah-nyah-nyah approach to the most urgent election we have ever faced, do you really expect or think that you should be responded to with nothing but polite Robert's Rules of Order-style exchanges? This ain't Penelope Petunia's Parlor for Proper People, this is FREE REPUBLIC, whose Founder Jim Robinson has never hesitated to use more than colorful and graphic language in his commentary, or perhaps you missed it when he posted that famous thread in which he properly called out John McCain as a "treasonous bastard" and other straight talking epithets that REAL men use in REAL life?

As my good FRiend StephenJohnBanker has said "we're not electing a pope, we're electing a political leader" and make no mistake here 'Lord Invar' (that IS still the moniker you go by on your outside email isn't it? Got that from your FR page, fyi), I do not believe in the Mormon Church, and I do not subscribe to their teachings, nor will I. But since you like to cast this election in terms of how scared you are of what God might think of you if you pull the lever for Romney & Ryan, perhaps the following Scripture will help illuminate your thoughts, and maybe even clear out all the clouds of confusion that have allowed you to become so terrified of our Creator:

And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, "Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in My Name, that can lightly speak evil of Me".
~Mark 9:38-39, KJV

Now pay close attention here: do you believe that the removal of this wicked 0bamunist regime from power, is something that Almighty God would approve of? Or do you think that He would prefer that Kenyan SOB be allowed another 4 year term to continue his evil and depraved ways?

Think about that a moment while you re-read the above mentioned words of Jesus. Mitt Romney may be a Mormon, he may be an adherent of a religion which is not totally based upon God's Word. He may be a liberal. He may be MANY things, but if you believe that God's Will always prevails, then you must also accept that it is God's Will that we will be staring at a ballot with two choices on November 6th, one is the wicked and satanically inspired 0bama, the other is Mitt Romney who is a flawed sinner like the rest of us, but he is a far different potential leader than what we've got stinking up the White House right now. Now if Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are able to put America back on a sound moral and fiscal path, would that not qualify as a miracle? You think Jesus would speak ill of such events?

The Jesus *I* know would applaud the actions of such men, just as He applauded the Roman Centurion who sought Him out to heal his servant, saying "I am not worthy for You to enter my home, but if You will but give the word, I know my servant shall be healed" (paraphrased) and quote "Jesus marveled at that man's faith", even though that Roman was a despised Gentile in the view of most Jewish society of the day.

I am certain that you have heard of the words of Edmund Burke, "All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" and if THIS election is not defined by the words of Burke, then you step right up and tell me what is.



[A shout out to muawiyah, guess you better report the guy who posted this to the mods, ok?]

... "All Republicans, independents, grassroots conservatives, tea party members, moderates, Reagan democrats, Christians, Jews, life, family, liberty, decency-loving patriots of any stripe must work like the blazes for the next couple of months and then turnout on election day and drag their friends, relatives and co-workers to the polls to vote that communist bastard and as many godless, liberty-hating, capitalism-hating, God-hating, liberal progressive, corrupt Marxist communists bastards the hell OUT as is humanly possible!!"

674 posted on 09/09/2012 2:42:11 PM PDT by mkjessup (Either vote Romney & Ryan, or by default you are assisting 0bama's re-election. It's up to you.)
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To: mkjessup
The only chance that we have to defeat 0bama is to pull the lever for Romney & Ryan.

Knock yourself out. I won't be voting for them.

To utilize an analogy that I have applied in the past,

Your analogy doesn't fly with me because the premise is incompatible. This is a national election, not a world war. These are internal political enemies, not external nation-state ones.

the truth IS that you and your 'Principled Conservatives' who decide to sit this one out, or decide to throw your votes away on some third party Quixote-like candidate that WILL NOT WIN WILL be assisting in the re-election of 0bama by denying your votes to the only possible ticket with a shot at winning. THAT is the truth, and if that is your decision you better be prepared to live with it.

I don't buy that threat, notion and sum. My vote goes to who I give it to - and not you, your threats or your browbeating insults are going to deny my what is my right. You truly are no different than the Obama drones and their Democrats are in playing this intimidation game, are you?

That intimidation doesn't work on me bub, just drives my resolve that much deeper. And of course that is my decision so of course I am prepared to live with it.

do you really expect or think that you should be responded to with nothing but polite Robert's Rules of Order-style exchanges?

No. It merely illustrates and instructs that you, and your ilk are as tyrannical and persecutive as Obama and his Marxofascist drones are when it comes to accosting those who will not bow to your demands to support evil and commit sin against our own consciences.

perhaps the following Scripture will help illuminate your thoughts, and maybe even clear out all the clouds of confusion...

Your ridiculous misuse of scripture to apply it to how I choose to cast my vote is on the same level as Satan using it to tempt Jesus. Romney's record of supporting those sins anathema to Christianity you can dress up and justify by the misuse of scripture all the day long. You might deceive others who are not as studied in the bible - but you won't deceive me.

do you believe that the removal of this wicked 0bamunist regime from power, is something that Almighty God would approve of? Or do you think that He would prefer that Kenyan SOB be allowed another 4 year term to continue his evil and depraved ways?

Since misapplication of scripture seems appropriate to you, I'll respond in kind:

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight..." - John 18:36

That cited, the bible is replete with examples of God's people being given over to evil rulers because of the sinful cultures that the Israelites compromised themselves with. Obama and Romney are a reflection of a similar compromised culture. Sad that people like you are so insistent that the few of us who refuse to bow to your idol will do so. But there is nothing new under the sun.

Mitt Romney may be a Mormon, he may be an adherent of a religion which is not totally based upon God's Word. He may be a liberal.

I do not oppose Romney on the basis of his doctrinal beliefs. I oppose Romney because of his record, and what he and his Ruling Class handlers HAVE DONE. You are welcome to continue being the battered wife. I'm done with them.

then you must also accept that it is God's Will that we will be staring at a ballot with two choices on November 6th, one is the wicked and satanically inspired 0bama, the other is Mitt Romney who is a flawed sinner like the rest of us,

I know that it was God's Will to let Israel choose wicked rulers for itself, and gave them over to reprobate and debased minds that led to God allowing them to be destroyed and taken into captivity for their collective national sins.

I do not accept that it is God's will for us to violate His Commandments and His laws and our principles to vote for anyone whose records and actions, support, sanction and promotion of sin and beliefs antithetical to my liberty and my faith. Obama and Romney are both antithetical to everything I hold to.

Now if Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are able to put America back on a sound moral and fiscal path, would that not qualify as a miracle?

You just proved how bass akcwards your thinking is. If you think fixing this nation happens by electing someone to the political top spot, then you prove that you know as little of what America was intended by our Founders as you do the scriptures, and are no different than anyone else who wants a false messiah for a king to save them.

The Jesus *I* know would applaud the actions of such men

We don't know the same Jesus then. God has no part with sin or compromising with sin for the sake of what is politically expedient.

I am certain that you have heard of the words of Edmund Burke, "All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing"

I'm doing plenty. I'm simply not voting for your political savior.

691 posted on 09/09/2012 3:33:12 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: mkjessup


That was almost Churchillian, man.....
708 posted on 09/09/2012 5:18:08 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: mkjessup

PLacemark.


798 posted on 09/09/2012 9:46:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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