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To: aruanan; Red Steel

“The doubt expressed was whether children who were born of foreigners or aliens in the jurisdiction of the United States were citizens of the United States by virtue of birth in the United States.”

No. No one from colonial times on ever doubted that the children of aliens, if born in the US (or colonies), were citizens. There are no cases where any court ever found that a child of an alien, born while the alien was living in the US (or colonies), was NOT a citizen.

None. THAT question was never at doubt.

You see, at no time in our history have we EVER followed Vattel or Swiss customs on citizenship. We have laws going back to the 1600s concerning citizenship (or being a natural born subject, or a naturalized subject), and NO ONE ever questioned or rejected citizenship for those born in the country of alien parents.

“They construed the natural-born clause of Article 2, Section 1 to find that Minor was a natural-born citizen, that is, one born under the jurisdiction of the Constitution to parents who were both citizens. This established as a precedent the meaning of “natural born citizen.” This is, indeed, a legally binding meaning of “natural born citizen.””

No. They construed it to have several possible meanings, and said she met the qualifications for one of those possible meanings, so the court didn’t need to determine any other.

Years later, it WAS an issue for WKA, and the court went to great length to show that WKA met the requirement for natural born subject and thus natural born citizen, and thus was a citizen.

You can reject my analysis, but no court ever has. No state ever has. And no Congressman ever has. And with the election of Obama, and his time in office, no one ever will.

Obama will be removed at the ballot box. He will NEVER be removed due to his father being a Kenya

“You should take up your silly objections with Donofrio.”

The courts have made it plain that they don’t care squat for Donofrio’s legal analysis. There is nothing a court to do that would make it more obvious that they think he is a nut.


24 posted on 06/25/2011 7:25:34 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Mr Rogers
There are no cases where any court ever found that a child of an alien, born while the alien was living in the US (or colonies), was NOT a citizen.

A specific note: This appears to be true both before and after Minor v. Happersett.

In August of 1895, a young man named Wong Kim Ark was detained by Customs at the Port of San Francisco and denied entry into the United States, on the ground that he was not a US citizen, despite having been born in the US.

The initial case was in federal district court, which ruled in Wong's favor and ordered him to be released from immigrations custody.

The government appealed to the United States Supreme Court, which gave us the USSC ruling in United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

49 posted on 06/25/2011 6:02:33 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Mr Rogers
I believe Washington and company understood NBC to be pure bred citizen. They did not want foreign influence. We can all agree to that, unless we have an axe to grind for Mr. Obama.

Now, How to open the door to foreign influence?

Elect dual citizens at birth, and excuse their foreign citizenship. Mr. Obama had foreign citizenship at birth.

After Obama, we can now elect people born on US soil, to two foreign citizens. This completely subverts the intention of the document, without a constitutional amendment. This point, on its face, is evidence of the fact that Obama is also ineligible. Allowing Obama to gain access to the presidency, a British born subject, gives that right to all citizens of all countries who stop in the USA to have a child. Turkish women now fly here to give birth, with sole purpose to get citizenship.

One day, we will elect a man born with foreign citizenship that is hell bent on destroying our country. In fact, I think it has already happend.

90 posted on 06/26/2011 6:54:03 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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