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To: restornu
We been through this many times but you still continue to use the left tactics that book was never sanction by the Church just like many books written are not scripture unless it is a consensus of the 12 received as in a revelation.

Then you are admitting that McConkie was a false teacher then

From MormonWiki Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce R. McConkie, was written in 1958. It was written when Bruce R. McConkie was a Seventy, a position of authority in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but lower in authority than an apostle or prophet.

The book remained in print until last year - throughout mcconkies entire career as a 12.

The book was written without review or guidance from church leaders, and included a notation from him that he was entirely responsible for its content.

Cite mormonwiki more fully resty and you'll read -
"A second edition to Mormon Doctrine was created under the guidance of Spencer W. Kimball, who would later become the prophet of the Church. He guided Elder McConkie through the preparation of the second edition to Mormon Doctrine, suggesting approximately fifty changes to make, and Elder McConkie made other changes on his own. No official doctrine was altered in the book, but the author softened the tone, removed material extraneous to the purpose of the book, and also took out material that was not official doctrine and clarified status on other items. "

Hmmmm, no OFFICIAL doctrine was changed.

The book has never been an official source for church doctrine.

"If anyone, regardless of his position in the Church, were to advance a doctrine that is not substantiated by the standard Church works, meaning the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, you may know that his statement is merely his private opinion. The only one authorized to bring forth any new doctrine is the President of the Church, who, when he does, will declare it as revelation from God, and it will be so accepted by the Council of the Twelve and sustained by the body of the Church. And if any man speak a doctrine which contradicts what is in the standard Church works, you may know by that same token that it is false and you are not bound to accept it as truth." (Harold B. Lee, The First Area General Conference for Germany, Austria, Holland, Italy, Switzerland, France, Belgium, and Spain of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, held in Munich Germany, August 24–26, 1973, with Reports and Discourses, 69. Quoted from "Official Church doctrine and statements by Church leaders")

You state that MD doesn't not contain mormon doctrine. The ga proclaimation states that And if any man speak a doctrine which contradicts what is in the standard Church works, you may know by that same token that it is false and you are not bound to accept it as truth." Then by your testimony resty, McConkie was a teacher of false mormon doctrines. How did the mormon church allow a false teacher to rise to the position of an Apostle resty? Why was MD so widely cited in other mormon literature of the time if it was false doctrinally?

1,071 posted on 10/31/2011 1:36:00 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

No he was not a false teacher he was human and spoke from his only understanding we all make those mistakes of not waiting on the Lord to edify our thoughts.

One really can not go on passion alone one must allow the Spirit of the Lord to edify or else one could make mistakes and misunderstandings

That is why we are counsel to read ponder and pray and not take for granted that our passions are alright.

Doctrine and Covenants section 8

1 Oliver Cowdery, verily, verily, I say unto you, that assuredly as the Lord liveth, who is your God and your Redeemer, even so surely shall you receive a knowledge of whatsoever things you shall ask in faith, with an honest heart, believing that you shall receive a knowledge concerning the engravings of old records, which are ancient, which contain those parts of my scripture of which has been spoken by the manifestation of my Spirit.

2 Yea, behold, I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, by the Holy Ghost, which shall come upon you and which shall dwell in your heart.

3 Now, behold, this is the spirit of revelation; behold, this is the spirit by which Moses brought the children of Israel through the Red Sea on dry ground.

4 Therefore this is thy gift; apply unto it, and blessed art thou, for it shall deliver you out of the hands of your enemies, when, if it were not so, they would slay you and bring your soul to destruction.

5 Oh, remember these words, and keep my commandments. Remember, this is your gift.

But how soon the mortal man forgets and tries to run on his own instaed of waiting on the Lord to resume.

Section 9

1 Behold, I say unto you, my son, that because you did not translate according to that which you desired of me, and did commence again to write for my servant, Joseph Smith, Jun., even so I would that ye should continue until you have finished this record, which I have entrusted unto him.

2 And then, behold, other records have I, that I will give unto you power that you may assist to translate.

3 Be patient, my son, for it is wisdom in me, and it is not expedient that you should translate at this present time.

4 Behold, the work which you are called to do is to write for my servant Joseph.

5 And, behold, it is because that you did not continue as you commenced, when you began to translate, that I have taken away this privilege from you.

6 Do not murmur, my son, for it is wisdom in me that I have dealt with you after this manner.

7 Behold, you have not understood; you have supposed that I would give it unto you, when you took no thought save it was to ask me.

8 But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.

9 But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong; therefore, you cannot write that which is sacred save it be given you from me.

10 Now, if you had known this you could have translated; nevertheless, it is not expedient that you should translate now.


1,072 posted on 10/31/2011 1:59:37 PM PDT by restornu (Love One Another)
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