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1 posted on 05/10/2011 9:54:08 AM PDT by aic4ever
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We who believe in freedom ought to claim the moral high ground more often. We deserve it, we should claim it.


2 posted on 05/10/2011 9:56:10 AM PDT by DManA
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You can’t have a free society without good morals. The Founders knew this. Just read what they wrote about religion in the public square.

True freedom is not the same thing as license.


3 posted on 05/10/2011 9:56:42 AM PDT by caldera599
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The rate of addiction has remained unchanged at 1.4% of the US population over the last century, and is unaffected by drug laws.
6 posted on 05/10/2011 10:02:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Under Islam, there is no separation of church and state. The church IS the state.)
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Yep, everytime I flush my inadequate little toilet, I thank ManBearPig.


7 posted on 05/10/2011 10:04:27 AM PDT by Rockiette (Democrats are not intelligent)
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Doing drugs is a personal choice over which the Federal Government does not and should not have any Constitutional power to control. At the same time your neighbors should have and do have the right to kick your a$$ and beat you out of town for being a degenerate sleaziod. As it stands today if a group of decent men tried to run drug addicts, perverts, and other miscreants out of their neighborhoods the armed might of FEDGOV would come down on their heads like an anvil. They would be declared racist, right-wing terrorists, and charged with violating the “civil rights” of these downtrodden victims of society.


9 posted on 05/10/2011 10:19:50 AM PDT by Roninf5-1 (If ignorance is bliss why are so many Americans on anti-depressants?)
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The argument here is not one of whether drugs are bad for you, as Gerson would clumsily lead you to believe. The argument, rather, is one of who should decide whether drugs are bad for you.

Assuming we can agree on a definition of "bad," this question is not one of opinion, but rather of objective fact.

One can still make an arguably persuasive libertarian argument for legalization of drugs on the basis that you should have the legal right to mess yourself up if you choose to. But you cannot make a persuasive argument that (most if not all) illegal drugs do not have serious deleterious effects on many if not all of their users.

Same as with tobacco smoking, heavy drinking or homosexual sex. The negative health effects are a question of fact, not of opinion.

11 posted on 05/10/2011 10:26:03 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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A better approach to the argument is this: should the federal government be in charge of issuing traffic tickets in every town in America? And if you say, “Of course not!”, then to assume that you don’t want any traffic laws at all.

It’s not an either/or argument. And neither is drugs, or prostitution, or pornography, toilets or light bulbs. Our sole choices are *not* “federal government or nothing.”

Right now, if left up to the individual States, abortion would only be legal in from 3 to 5 of them, and for an indefinite time. But it would be extremely hard to legalize abortion in States where it was not legal.

And while there would be *some* people willing to leave their State, to travel to another State, to have an abortion, before Roe v. Wade, there were some willing to travel to other countries to get abortions. Some things just cannot be entirely stopped.

As far as drugs go, between the horrific abuses heaped on the Bill of Rights since alcohol prohibition, continuing and intensifying with the War on Drugs, a LOT of States would probably say, “To heck with it!”

“We no longer care if people wish to harm themselves with drugs. Preventing them from choosing to do so is so vastly *more* harmful to us all, that we can no longer afford to interfere with their self-harm.”

“Thus we will treat drug abuse as a medical, not a legal problem.”

Yet this is also not a federal decision to make. And if people are willing to travel from a State which has decided that drugs should remain illegal, to one where drugs are legal, this again is something we must learn to live with. We cannot all wear chains, to prevent someone from leaping off a cliff.

And likewise prostitution. Thank heavens that for the most part, the federal government has not tried to make prostitution illegal nationally.

But while most States would continue to not permit it, eventually some might get around to allowing it on a limited basis. And that is their prerogative.


19 posted on 05/10/2011 11:33:19 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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