Posted on 05/01/2011 7:24:18 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
Yup! Salvation outside of faith. Ergo, faith is not required in all instances. The Bible says otherwise.
The same can be said of infants who die before they can believe and be baptized. Are they saved or are they lost? If they are saved, then faith is not required. The Bible contradicts this. If they are not saved, where are they? In hell?
LOL! Now that’s a good way of putting it.
Thank you. I am not one to post on these threads. This is, in fact, a first. I can only offer what I know and believe to be true. As for ultimate, absolute truth, who can say? While the quest for absolute truth is admirable (I do not hold on to blind faith), that search has driven many mad or has led them to dead ends or an unending series of questions. And the only guarantee that I can give, is that there is not a one of them who has hit upon yet. Blessings,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2713145/posts?page=2363#2363
You don’t have to watch the video, simply reading the post will suffice.
Your honesty is appreciated, Wallop the Cat. It would do tremendous good for the others to emulate!
With me, it is the quest that sustains me and my passion for life, and all its mysteries.
If I were to sacrifice reason and pitch a tent on one religious dogma over the rest without sufficient conviction, that would not just make me mad, but define me as a lunatic.
kosta,
God and Jesus Christ’s abilities don’t depend upon man rather He chooses to work His Will through mere men ~ faithful followers from all nations. No matter what sophistry you employ you simply can not stamp out this following. Nothing that has happened nor will happen has escaped his notice regarding every detail.
It it one of the hardest doctrines to comprehend ~ the providence of God [see Romans 8:28].
The test is timed, however. And the proctor won’t let you go over time. :)
All righty then if you feel that I’ve sinned against you then I’m truly sorry and please forgive me. You too Kosta!
Now if either of you want to try it too ~ where it truly counts, see Romans 10:9-12.
To me, such a quality screams of the hallmarks of a man-made god. This is one of the reasons why I cited the tribal-ignorance problem, earlier. No answers worthy of consideration came forth, predictably. Plenty of obfuscation was doled out, though. All these are abhorrent to reason.
You are basing this on your acceptance of what's in a book. These tings don't happen in the real world. There are no talking snakes and donkeys and diseases are not caused by 'evil spirits.' No one else recorded this outside the Bible. The sun stood still for 24 hours? How did they measure 24 hours? Please, don't do this to yourself.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are four eye-witness Gospel accounts
I don't know where you are getting this from. Mark was no eyewitness and neither was Luke. In fact all four Gospels are anonymous. The names were added at the end of the 2nd century.
re: archaeological evidence see http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
Israel Finkelstein, among others, is the Head of the Israeli Antiquities Society. And hes says the Jews were never in Egypt, there was no Exodus, and that there are no traces of any Jewish presence in the Sinai corresponding at any time during those centuries.
How can you have over a million people living in an area most of the 40myerars they were there and not leave a trace? But there are plenty of Egyptian traces in the area dating back to any proposed Exodus period.
didn’t claim to be the judge of the world but the good book makes it plain who will judge the world
Other mortals like you (you are mortal aren't you?) believe in other "good books". Why should yours be the "true" one and theirs not?
Their is no substitute
That is your belief.
I only point out hypocrisy when I see it. It is up to you to realise it in you, and what to do about it, especially when signalled.
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It does truly amaze me how quickly and easily you think you have refuted God, the Bible and all the supporting evidence simply because you can quickly and easily finds fellow detractors.
Nice!
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It does truly amaze me how quickly and easily you think you have refuted God, the Bible and all the supporting evidence simply because you can quickly and easily finds fellow detractors.
The internet truly is a powerful vehicle for destroying falsehood. No wonder Big Government everywhere seeks to throw a leash on it. We are yet to witness the full impact of this magnificent technology.
xzins just told me that God used slavery for his purposes...did he use Hitler for that too? Shy am I getting so many different stories from different Christians?
If morality is from God then morality could not evolve because it is absolute. Yet, we see that it did evolve,as you yourself realize.
Shy=Why
By the way, those “detractors” are believers themselves. They just called out a fraud when they saw one. Take a look at that website.
LOL! I love it...where do you find these things? :)
I suppose then that it comes down to whether there is for you or for me an alternative to reason. I’m educated, I’ve been through countless hours of philosophy classes, etc., and I greatly value reason. On the other hand, I believe in faith. When reason fails, faith abounds. Indeed, who needs faith when something is objectively, scientifically, and rationally proven to be. Faith is the knowledge of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. That sustains me, it doesn’t you. I’ll promise not to throw out reason, why don’t you give faith a fighting chance.
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