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Will Iowa become the "late-term abortion capital" of the U.S.?
TheIowaRepublican.com ^ | 4/28/2011 | Kevin Hall

Posted on 04/28/2011 7:24:08 AM PDT by bigred08

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To: HereInTheHeartland

What’s really ironic is that I’m the one defending what has been the Republican platform since Reagan, while the mass of the “leadership” of the formerly grand old party destroys it.


41 posted on 04/29/2011 8:33:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I refer to this sort of bill lots of ways, but one of them is “the right to be slaughtered painlessly” bill.

I wonder if they think paraplegics can be shot through the heart with a forty-five. After all, they won’t feel a thing, right?

I wonder if the think it would be okay to kill grandma for the inheritance if they gave her enough morphine. Completely painless!

Bleh.


42 posted on 04/29/2011 8:39:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“I’ll stand my ground for the keeping of the oath of office to defend the God-given, unalienable rights of every single innocent human being, even if I’m the last one standing.”

That’s great, but when 50% of the population couldn’t care less what you think you have a problem.


43 posted on 04/29/2011 8:51:13 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: EternalVigilance
Since Roe v Wade, human life has been cheapened every day.

Democrats love the word “sacrifice”, yet they don't think a Woman should have to sacrifice a life of self indulgence for the “life” inside her womb. What did Obummer say, punished by a baby? Punished must mean living on a budget, buying a Minivan and spending time at Chuckie Cheese instead of vacationing in Hawaii.

And they have the nerve to call Conservatives greedy. Liberals are the most self centered people you could ever meet.

44 posted on 04/29/2011 8:51:57 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Natural Born Taxpayer on Board...)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
That’s great, but when 50% of the population couldn’t care less what you think you have a problem.

They're not currently the problem. The problem is that most of the Republicans in the Iowa Legislature don't even understand the first thing about the obligations associated with their own oaths. Or, if they do understand, they just don't care. They're too busy playing politics.

45 posted on 04/29/2011 8:57:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“is a return to the core principles of our republic and our state. “

Great, I’m all for it. But until that happens what are you going to do?


46 posted on 04/29/2011 8:57:31 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Absolutely.


47 posted on 04/29/2011 8:57:45 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Great, I’m all for it. But until that happens what are you going to do?

Keep pointing folks to the core principles of our free republic. And pointing out those who have abandoned them.

48 posted on 04/29/2011 8:58:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

If it was 1858, would you permanently codify the slavery of millions of persons in the laws for the promise that six slaves would be allowed to escape up the river?


49 posted on 04/29/2011 9:06:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: EternalVigilance
“Or, if they do understand, they just don't care. They're too busy playing politics. “

Ok with that being true, what do you do about the wolf who is knocking on the door right now?
How long before those folks can be educated? Or the public educated?
You have a choice to make right now in the real world.

One choice will save some kids in a very real way. The other choice says we will save some kids when we get our ducks in a row.
Again this is a real choice that has to made right now; it is not theoretical.
What choice do you make?

50 posted on 04/29/2011 9:10:49 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Again, you offer a false choice. You’re using the force of law to say that it is okay to kill innocent human beings. Not even the Roe court did that, as I have demonstrated.

This bill is worse than Roe v. Wade.

And done in the name of “pro-life.”


51 posted on 04/29/2011 9:13:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“If it was 1858, would you permanently codify the slavery of millions of persons in the laws for the promise that six slaves would be allowed to escape up the river?”

Well of course Lincoln did not immediately seek an outright ban on slavery.
His immediate goal was to keep the Union together and then get rid of slavery.
He was an incrementalist.

Sorry I have get some sleep now.


52 posted on 04/29/2011 9:13:52 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

If a terrorist holds your entire family at gunpoint, and says that he will begin to kill them one by one unless you agree to give him the permanent “legal” right to kill other members of your family, as many as he pleases, what would you do? Do you give in to his terroristic threats?


53 posted on 04/29/2011 9:17:14 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

But he wasn’t stupid enough to pass laws that permanently enshrined slavery in the law in exchange for setting six slaves free.


54 posted on 04/29/2011 9:19:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
One of the most powerful and important speeches Abraham Lincoln ever gave - presented only four days before the commencement of his famous debates with Stephen A. Douglas. You tell me if these words fit into the picture you've painted of the man, or if this bill in question would meet with his approval:

 

"The Declaration of Independence was formed by the representatives of American liberty from thirteen States of the Confederacy, twelve of which were slaveholding communities. We need not discuss the way or the reason of their becoming slave-holding communities. It is sufficient for our purpose that all of them greatly deplored the evil and that they placed a provision in the Constitution which they supposed would gradually remove the disease by cutting off its source. This was the abolition of the slave trade. So general was the conviction, the public determination, to abolish the African slave trade, that the provision which I have referred to as being placed in the Constitution declared that it should not be abolished prior to the year 1808. A constitutional provision was necessary to prevent the people, through Congress, from putting a stop to the traffic immediately at the close of the war. Now if slavery had been a good thing, would the Fathers of the Republic have taken a step calculated to diminish its beneficent influences among themselves, and snatch the boon wholly from their posterity? These communities, by their representatives in old Independence Hall, said to the whole world of men: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.' This was their majestic interpretation of the economy of the Universe. This was their lofty, and wise, and noble understanding of the justice of the Creator to his creatures. Yes, gentlemen, to all his creatures, to the whole great family of man. In their enlightened belief, nothing stamped with the Divine image and likeness was sent into the world to be trodden on and degraded, and imbruted by its fellows. They grasped not only the whole race of man then living, but they reached forward and seized upon the farthest posterity. They erected a beacon to guide their children, and their children's children, and the countless myriads who should inhabit the earth in other ages. Wise statesmen as they were, they knew the tendency of prosperity to breed tyrants, and so they established these great self-evident truths, that when in the distant future some man, some faction, some interest, should set up the doctrine that none but rich men, or none but white men, or none but Anglo-Saxon white men, were entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, their posterity might look up again to the Declaration of Independence and take courage to renew the battle which their fathers began, so that truth and justice and mercy and all the humane and Christian virtues might not be extinguished from the land; so that no man would hereafter dare to limit and circumscribe the great principles on which the temple of liberty was being built.

"Now, my countrymen, if you have been taught doctrines conflicting with the great landmarks of the Declaration of Independence; if you have listened to suggestions which would take away from its grandeur and mutilate the fair symmetry of its proportions; if you have been inclined to believe that all men are not created equal in those inalienable rights enumerated by our chart of liberty, let me entreat you to come back. Return to the fountain whose waters spring close by the blood of the Revolution. Think nothing of me — take no thought for the political fate of any man whomsoever — but come back to the truths that are in the Declaration of Independence. You may do anything with me you choose, if you will but heed these sacred principles. You may not only defeat me for the Senate, but you may take me and put me to death. While pretending no indifference to earthly honors, I do claim to be actuated in this contest by something higher than an anxiety for office. I charge you to drop every paltry and insignificant thought for any man's success. It is nothing; I am nothing; Judge Douglas is nothing. But do not destroy that immortal emblem of Humanity — the Declaration of American Independence."

-- Abraham Lincoln, speech in Lewiston, Illinois, August 17, 1858. Printed in the Chicago Press and Tribune.

 

 

55 posted on 04/29/2011 9:27:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
"Think nothing of me — take no thought for the political fate of any man whomsoever — but come back to the truths that are in the Declaration of Independence. You may do anything with me you choose, if you will but heed these sacred principles. You may not only defeat me for the Senate, but you may take me and put me to death." -- Abraham Lincoln

56 posted on 04/29/2011 9:41:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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