Posted on 04/28/2011 7:24:08 AM PDT by bigred08
Females from all over the country will travel to Iowa for late-term abortions if the state senate does not act quickly, according to pro-life organization Operation Rescue. Leroy Carhart is the country’s foremost practitioner of late-term abortions. He plans to open a clinic in the Council Bluffs area very soon, even promoting it on his website.
House File 657 is a bill aimed at blocking Carhart from coming to Iowa, by banning abortions after 20 weeks. It should be discharged soon from the Government Oversight Committee, opening it for full debate in the Iowa Senate. The bill’s fate there remains unknown.
(Excerpt) Read more at theiowarepublican.com ...
By your logic, it’s better to save none than save some. That is unbelievably flawed.
Schindler couldn't save everyone; but he saved the ones he could save. And eventually the Nazi regime was brought down and the killing stopped.
We need to save the ones we can now.
You’re codifying what every foundational document of our country and state expressly forbids, which is the killing of innocent persons.
You’re destroying the constitutional imperative of the U.S. and Iowa Constitutions that demand the equal protection of the laws for all persons.
And you won’t save anyone. You’re deluding yourself. All you will accomplish is to deepen the evil roots of the practice of child killing.
What part of IT’S NOT CONSTITUTIONAL do you folks fail to grasp?
By not acting you will let this cretin come in here and kill more kids. Abortion is already legal.
“Acting” is a pretty good way to describe what the “pro-life” Republicans are doing. Acting like they’re pro-life, while they codify the killing of persons who haven’t yet passed through a birth canal.
This bill is utterly unconstitutional on its face, and you know it. You just won’t deal with it.
“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.”
“No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
The legislation in question says they are.
And the U.S. Constitution does not allow the killing of innocent persons. Even Blackmun admitted as much in Roe.
Correct?
Well kids have been killed for quite awhile now.
Should we save some or not try because we can’t save them all?
Do you prefer this monster is allowed to come to Iowa? It is impossible to get a total ban passed right now.
“And the U.S. Constitution does not allow the killing of innocent persons.”
You think that our country follows the Constitution? That’s a good one!!
How does public school funding, Social Security, Medicare, farm subsidies, etc etc fit into the Constitution?
They do not of course.
So, you admit you’re advocating the abrogation by our elected officials of the most important elements of our Constitution, which they swore to uphold and defend.
Again, you won’t stop anything by giving up the most important constitutional premises of our republic. You’re deluding yourself.
Well, you certainly don't, when it comes to the most important purposes of our government and our Constitution. So what gives you the credibility to argue against all the lesser violations of our Constitution?
If that is true, the primary blockage is Republicans. Out of the entire GOP caucus, there are only three members who have been consistently principled in standing for the personhood, Fourteenth Amendment Reagan platform. Three. That's it.
Imagine it's the year 2030, 18 years after this law passes/takes effect. Say those 100 kids graduate from high school and someone was able to get them all together for a celebration. I'm sure they would be joyous that they were spared.
Even if this was a numbers games - which it most signally is NOT in a country and state whose first premises are equality before the law, and the protection of God-given, unalienable rights - you're mistaken in thinking this will save anyone.
You will get NOTHING, in exchange for the foundational natural law principles of the Declaration of Independence, the explicitly stated pro-posterity purposes of the U.S. Constitution, and the imperative obligations imposed by the explicit provisions of the Constitution.
You leave yourself without a single moral, constitutional or legal argument left against abortion when you have done that.
Wake up.
"Pro-life" "Republicans" did this exact same thing eight years ago in Texas. No babies were saved, and they now have a state code that recognizes the personhood of the child, but says they can be killed. All of their promises were empty.
This legislation represents two giant steps into barbarity beyond Roe, in that it is more than a mere court opinion in an individual case, it is the codification of abortion, and that it explicitly allows the killing of persons, which not even the Roe court dared to allow.
"The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a 'person' within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment."-- Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Roe vs. Wade, 1973
Here is audio from the Roe v. Wade case that gets to the core of what is actually at stake:
Establish Personhood and Roe collapses. Even the Roe court agreed with that.
You just answered your question then.
Government is not Christ's church on earth. If the political process doesn't have more than 3 people on your side; what can you win?
Maybe incremental ism is better than nothing ism.
What do you say if we do things your way, and 30 week babies are slaughtered in Council Bluffs?
Will you feel better that you stood your ground?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."-- The Declaration of Independence
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
-- The Preamble, or Statement of Purpose, of the United States Constitution
"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."
-- The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution
"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
-- The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
"You shall not murder."
-- Exodus 20:13
"All men and women are, by nature, free and equal, and have certain inalienable rights — among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness."
Article One, Section 1, the Iowa Constitution
"All laws of a general nature shall have a uniform operation; the general assembly shall not grant to any citizen, or class of citizens, privileges or immunities, which, upon the same terms shall not equally belong to all citizens."
Article One, Section 6, the Iowa Constitution
"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."
-- Article One, Section 9, the Iowa Constitution
It's sad that you think such an important matter can be discarded just because everyone else is destroying their own oaths and the most important principles of our constitutions.
Your strategy has been tried for forty years. It's gone nowhere.
The only way this holocaust can possibly be stopped is a return to the core principles of our republic and our state.
Ask any Abortion lover if they would change their minds if they knew the Fetus felt Pain during the procedure.
If they say yes, you have a chance to change their view on Abortion.
If they say no, punch them in the mouth and ask them to prove it hurt.
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