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Yes, I meant what I said; "Blackwell." It's a deep well you find yourself in when you go down that road.

"Then I guess you must believe that the Framers were capable of time travel, because de Vattel himself never mentioned the phrase "natural born citizenship" in word or writing."

LOL!!!!!!

What? Can't you read French? You must be one of those Americans Obama was embarrassed by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jy_QOm2sbQ

The Founding Fathers spoke and read French quite fluently. The copies of Vattel that they had were written in French!!!

See? This just goes to demonstrate that you didn't even bother to follow my link I provided before opening your mouth and making a fool of yourself.

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The correct title of Vattel's Book I, Chapter 19, section 212, is “Of the citizens and naturals”.

In French, as a noun, native is rendered as “originaire” or “indigene”, not as “naturel”. For “naturel” to mean native would need to be used as an adjective. In fact when Vattel defines "natural born citizens" in the second sentence of section 212 after defining general or ordinary citizens in the first sentence, you see that he uses the word "indigenes" for natives along with "Les naturels" in that sentence. He used the word "naturels" to emphasize clearly who he was defining as those who were born in the country of two citizens of the country.

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If you follow the link I had provided, you would have discovered (complete with historic references and quotes) that Benjamin Franklin was the one who distributed out French copies of Vattel to Our Founding Fathers.

But, you are just too full of yourself, aren't you?

So, you can decide for yourself if you think it was Blackwell (Blackstone) or if it was Vattel who influenced the Founding Fathers' views on what a Natural Born citizens was. As for me, I firmly believe it was Vattel. If you want to believe it was Blackwell (stone), then fine, sink like a stone into that well. I really could care less. Like I said previously, I don't care if Obama was Natural Born or not. I DO, however, care about the safety of America and my family and, because Obama has demonstrated his strong allegiances to his Father's place of birth, Kenya, he is NOT qualified to be my President! Cheers

Doc,

It’s always a bit tiresome to have to slay again the already slain, but you and I have never really talked before so bear with me.

1. The original French of de Vattel was “Les naturels ou indigenes...”

2. The first six English translations of de Vattel translated that phrase to read, “The natives or indigenes...” This is very important, so I hope you are paying attention. They translated “naturels” to “natives,” not to “natural born citizens.”

3. In the 1797 London edition we find the phrase “natural born citizens” for the first time. But the new translation is this, “The natives or natural born citizens...” Again, this is very important, so I hope you are paying attention. “Naturels” is still translated as “natives.” It is the word “indigenes” that is now translated for the first time as “natural born citizens.”

In every single English language edition of de Vattel to this very day, “naturels” has never been “translated as “natural born citizens.” And I ask you, if 250 years of professional translators have never once thought to translate “naturels” as “natural born citizens,” why would you imagine for a second that Ben Franklin would have?

So again...the point remains. It is impossible without time travel for de Vattel to have had any influence over the article II definition of “natural born citizen.”