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OBAMA SLASHES SOCIAL SECURITY! No cost of living increases for next two years.
Team Sarah ^ | 08/23/0* | Chaz1776

Posted on 08/23/2009 11:03:34 PM PDT by Cecilia Trent

What do the liberals at AARP think about the latest from Obama as reported by AP: No cost-of-living increases forSocial Security recipients for the next two years!

The Social Security COLs, as everyone knows, are rigged to provide a tiny increase each year, much less than the true cost-of-living increase for seniors.

Not only will these pittances be suspended for the next two years, but the Medicare premiums paid by the same seniors will INCREASE.

These Medicare premiums are automatically DEDUCTED from the Social Security payment every month. This means that America's seniors will receive a REDUCTION in.benefits in 2010, plus a FURTHER REDUCTION in 2011.

Obama's ACORN thugs will continue to receive raises as long as he's in office.

Remember when Bush's 100 billion, 200 billion, 300 billion deficits the past few years caused conniption fits among Obama and his lying Democrats the past few years. Obama has given us a deficit of more than THREE TRILLION in a few months. Obama has built in a 20 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT within 10 years.

Besides being bankrupt, this nation has record unemployment and record home foreclosures right now. The Bush years, when we had to fight a vast war against terrorists, looks like an economic paradise compared to Obama who fights wars only against American citizens.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: acorn; bho44; corruption; elderly; obamacare; retirement; seniors; socialsecurity; townhalls
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To: Eagle Forgotten
I understand your reasoning but I think this is just too dangerous a tactic.

Point noted.
I'll have to call it a good opportunity with some peril involved.

21 posted on 08/24/2009 1:42:17 AM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: cajungirl
I even like to goose them by saying we will refuse any social security and just spend down our estate. It usually just makes them very very silent.

I like that LOL.
I'm 62 (geezer) and know exactly what you are talking about with the youngsters ("Yutes Who Know All" as I refer to them).

22 posted on 08/24/2009 1:53:10 AM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: trumandogz

Agreed. Just give me my money back and cancel it.


23 posted on 08/24/2009 2:08:22 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: trumandogz

Please give me my money back. I want a refund.


24 posted on 08/24/2009 2:09:34 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: The Cajun

You have to stay ahead of the yutes all the time. They think they are smart but they are unreflective.

When they realize they have an inheritance it changes them. Skin in the game and they start to look at what O plans for us.

One of my daughters popped off about medicare not being responsible for old peoples last year,,it was soooo expensive, etc.

I asked when were we supposed to use our insurance,,when we were healthy? And that what looked like the end often wasn’t with good medical treatment.

Then I added “besides, I can afford to spend every cent on my treatment, so I guess I should go ahead and do that,,it doesn’t seem right for you to inherit money when the gov and the poor people are in such distress”

She has been very silent on this ever since.

The young don’t realize how much skin they have in this game to lose. They really don’t. The superrich trust fund babies don’t care,,they can afford it. But most of us don’t set up trusts and give money to them before we die,,those kids better watch out.


25 posted on 08/24/2009 2:23:55 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Cecilia Trent
Remember when Bush's 100 billion, 200 billion, 300 billion deficits the past few years caused conniption fits among Obama and his lying Democrats

Yes, I remember those conniption fits well! While living in the highest standards of living ever seen in this country, the libs whined and complained about the "lousy economy". They drove their Mercedes SUVs down to Starbucks for a $5.00 decaf cinnamon latte where they met with their "granite guy" to discuss their new commercial kitchen! Their 401k's were soaring. Life during the Bush administration was the best we have ever seen. But every night on the news, we had to listen to gloom and doom on the economy. One day I heard the radio announcer say that the Dow had hit a record 15000, "despite the struggling economy!"

26 posted on 08/24/2009 4:48:12 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (no more "till death do us part" public workers!)
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To: airborne

Here is an AP link to the story

Millions face shrinking SS payments

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER - Associated Press - 08/24/09

http://www.helenair.com/articles/2009/08/24/top/75na_090824_social.txt


27 posted on 08/24/2009 5:10:43 AM PDT by Sparko (Obama: Wow! The one man who can make COMMUNITY seem like a dirty word.)
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To: Cecilia Trent

I.m starting to get the feeling that this obama doesn’t like Seniors very much.
If he had to buy his own groceries and watched the prices escalating day by day he would allow the C.O.L.A. so Seniors could buy food.
Has he already cancelled C.O.L.A.’s for teachers and municipal employees.
I’ll bet not.


28 posted on 08/24/2009 5:12:09 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Eagle Forgotten

If the cost of living is down(this is BS and you should know this)then why are the SS benefits being ripped off more for medicare? The cost of living isn’t supposed to be tied to energy, in fact energy is supposedly left out of the cost of living but they are using it as an excuse not to give the COLOA. You are obviously an idiot when it comes to SS. You can’t blame Seniors for it, they didn’t put it into law, but the damn well had to pay for it year after year. Now you think they should just say, “Oh, well if its for Eagles benefit, sure we will just piss the money away!” Sorry Eagle, those of us who have payed our lifes blood to others while working our butts off for 45 plus years don’t see it that way. Phase out SS, yes, I am all for it, but if you try to stick me for 45 years of payments with no return on my investment, you haven’t seen nothing yet, a**hat.


29 posted on 08/24/2009 5:18:10 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59; Eagle Forgotten; 1rudeboy
The cost of living isn’t supposed to be tied to energy, in fact energy is supposedly left out of the cost of living

Incorrect!

What goods and services does the CPI cover?

The CPI represents all goods and services purchased for consumption by the reference population (U or W) BLS has classified all expenditure items into more than 200 categories, arranged into eight major groups. Major groups and examples of categories in each are as follows:

FOOD AND BEVERAGES (breakfast cereal, milk, coffee, chicken, wine, full service meals, snacks)

HOUSING (rent of primary residence, owners' equivalent rent, fuel oil, bedroom furniture)

APPAREL (men's shirts and sweaters, women's dresses, jewelry)

TRANSPORTATION (new vehicles, airline fares, gasoline, motor vehicle insurance)

MEDICAL CARE (prescription drugs and medical supplies, physicians' services, eyeglasses and eye care, hospital services)

RECREATION (televisions, toys, pets and pet products, sports equipment, admissions);

EDUCATION AND COMMUNICATION (college tuition, postage, telephone services, computer software and accessories);

OTHER GOODS AND SERVICES (tobacco and smoking products, haircuts and other personal services, funeral expenses).

Source

30 posted on 08/24/2009 7:15:28 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: calex59; Toddsterpatriot
calex59 wrote: If the cost of living is down(this is BS and you should know this)then why are the SS benefits being ripped off more for medicare?

Please provide a link to support your attack on the AP's figures for inflation. As to Medicare, that's a good question, which the article didn't explain. My guess is that it's something like: Social Security is pegged to the overall cost of living, which hasn't increased, but Medicare premiums might be pegged to the cost of medical care, which is only one segment (see Toddsterpatriot's useful breakdown). It would be possible for medical care to go up while other sectors were going down, leaving no net increase in the overall cost of living.

The cost of living isn’t supposed to be tied to energy, in fact energy is supposedly left out of the cost of living but they are using it as an excuse not to give the COLOA.

Toddsterpatriot has refuted your first point. To his breakdown, I'll add that energy would be built into other prices indirectly. If the trucks making deliveries to the supermarkets have to pay more for gas, that will put upward pressure on food prices.

As to your second point, read the linked article. There is no plan or proposal to deny seniors the COLA to which they're entitled under current law.
31 posted on 08/24/2009 9:17:22 AM PDT by Eagle Forgotten
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To: Eagle Forgotten

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/latestCOLA.html

Latest Cost-of-Living Adjustment

Automatic Increases

COLA history

How COLA is used

Federal SSI benefit rate

Wage-indexed amounts

What is a COLA?
Legislation enacted in 1973 provides for automatic cost-of-living adjustments, or COLAs. With COLAs, Social Security and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits keep pace with inflation.

Latest COLA
The latest COLA is 5.8 percent for Social Security benefits and SSI payments. Social Security benefits will increase by 5.8 percent beginning with the December 2008 benefits, which are payable in January 2009. Federal SSI payment levels will also increase by 5.8 percent effective for payments made for January 2009. Because the normal SSI payment date is the first of the month and January 1 is a holiday, the SSI payments for January are always made at the end of the previous December.

How is a COLA calculated?
The Social Security Act specifies a formula for determining each COLA. In general, a COLA is equal to the percentage increase in the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers (CPI-W) from the third quarter of one year to the third quarter of the next. If there is no increase, there is no COLA.

Computation of 5.8-percent COLA
For the December 2008 COLA, we measure the increase in the average CPI-W from the third calendar quarter of 2007 to the third quarter of 2008. These averages are 203.596 and 215.495 for the third calendar quarters of 2007 and 2008, respectively, and are derived from monthly CPI-Ws developed by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Month CPI-W for—
2007 2008
July 203.700 216.304
August 203.199 215.247
September 203.889 214.935
Total 610.788 646.486
Average (rounded
to the nearest 0.001) 203.596 215.495
The percentage increase in the CPI-W from the third quarter of 2007 through the third quarter of 2008 is 5.8 percent. The calculation of this percentage increase is as follows (rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one percent):

(215.495 - 203.596) / 203.596 x 100 = 5.8 percent.

Possible limitation on the COLA
Legislation enacted in 1983 may limit the COLA if the combined assets of the Social Security trust funds are below 20 percent of annual expenditures. (This limitation only applies to Social Security; SSI would be unaffected.) Such limitation has not occurred in the past, nor does it affect the current COLA determination. The combined trust fund assets at the beginning of 2008 are estimated to be 359.0 percent of 2008 expenditures.


http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm

For a complete list of Intervention Analysis Seasonal Adjustment
series and explanations, please refer to the article “Intervention
Analysis Seasonal Adjustment”, located on our website at
http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpisapage.htm


http://www.shadowstats.com/article/consumer_price_index

Consumer Price Index

October 1st, 2004
“GOVERNMENT ECONOMIC REPORTS: THINGS YOU’VE SUSPECTED BUT WERE AFRAID TO ASK!”

A Series Authored by Walter J. “John” Williams

“The Consumer Price Index” (Part Four in a Series of Five)

October 1, 2006 Update

(September 22, 2004 Original)

_____

Foreword

This installment has been updated from the original 2004 version to incorporate additional research on earlier changes to the CPI. The source for most of the information in this installment is the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which generally has been very open about its methodologies and changes to same. The BLS Web site: www.bls.gov contains descriptions of the CPI and its related methodologies. Other sources include my own analyses of the CPI data and methodological changes over the last 30 years as well as interviews with individuals involved in inflation reporting.
______

Payments to Social Security Recipients Should be Double Current Levels

Inflation, as reported by the Consumer Price Index (CPI) is understated by roughly 7% per year. This is due to recent redefinitions of the series as well as to flawed methodologies, particularly adjustments to price measures for quality changes. The concentration of this installment on the quality of government economic reports will be first on CPI series redefinition and the damages done to those dependent on accurate cost-of-living estimates, and on pending further redefinition and economic damage.

The CPI was designed to help businesses, individuals and the government adjust their financial planning and considerations for the impact of inflation. The CPI worked reasonably well for those purposes into the early-1980s. In recent decades, however, the reporting system increasingly succumbed to pressures from miscreant politicians, who were and are intent upon stealing income from social security recipients, without ever taking the issue of reduced entitlement payments before the public or Congress for approval.

In particular, changes made in CPI methodology during the Clinton Administration understated inflation significantly, and, through a cumulative effect with earlier changes that began in the late-Carter and early Reagan Administrations have reduced current social security payments by roughly half from where they would have been otherwise. That means Social Security checks today would be about double had the various changes not been made. In like manner, anyone involved in commerce, who relies on receiving payments adjusted for the CPI, has been similarly damaged. On the other side, if you are making payments based on the CPI (i.e., the federal government), you are making out like a bandit.

In the original version of this background article, I noted that Social Security payments should 43% higher, but that was back in September 2004 and only adjusted for CPI changes that took place after 1993. The current estimate adjusts for methodology gimmicks introduced since 1980.

Elements of the Consumer Price Index (CPI) had their roots in the mid-1880s, when the Bureau of Labor, later known as the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), was asked by Congress to measure the impact of new tariffs on prices. It was another three decades, however, before price indices would be combined into something resembling today’s CPI, a measure used then for setting wage increases for World War I shipbuilders. Although published regularly since 1921, the CPI did not come into broad acceptance and use until after World War II, when it was included in auto union contracts as a cost-of-living adjustment for wages.

The CPI found its way not only into other union agreements, but also into most commercial contracts that required consideration of cost/price changes or inflation. The CPI also was used to adjust Social Security payments annually for changes in the cost of living, and therein lay the eventual downfall to the credibility of CPI reporting.

(Please read the rest of this 2004 paper here... http://www.shadowstats.com/article/consumer_price_index )


(JH’s comment: The numbers have been rigged for at least a decade to prepare for the collapse in SS and other Federal obligations linked to CPI-W, BLS inflation numbers, and COLA adjusted pension obligations. The BLS has been politicized and is now a partisan organization controlled by government employees who have only allegiance to the continued existence of the Federal government, the people of this country be damned. It’s about time people started listen to good men like those at Shadowstats.com and stand up and strike down those who have brought this upon the citizens of this country. Let’s see what happens when the bread stops flowing for the first time since implementation the circuses of the American post-War economics.)


32 posted on 08/24/2009 10:15:08 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Cecilia Trent

As much as i hate obama, he had nothing to do with it.

That notice came with our Social Security checks last year when Bush was President.


33 posted on 08/24/2009 10:20:33 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: JerseyHighlander
Inflation, as reported by the Consumer Price Index (CPI) is understated by roughly 7% per year.

Poor John Williams. It's tough to sell hyper inflation when housing and energy prices have posted such large drops over the last year.

34 posted on 08/24/2009 10:28:04 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Was that a serious response or are you trolling on FR?

When housing prices drop, the majority of American households lose discretionary income due to the CPI-W basket ending up costing more and the interest payments on the household debt taking up a larger percentage of the household income and discretionary income.

In regard to energy prices, the CPI-W has been manipulated since unleaded gas costs US$0.90 a gallon in 1996. $22/barrel spot.

This is a multi-decade manipulation of inflation indexes, and energy costs are now returning to multi-decade historical trend lines, not falling below those trend lines.
Even if the energy markets swing too far downward in this correction , the below average cost will only last several (4 at most) quarters, not 2 calendar years as the BLS has made official policy.


35 posted on 08/24/2009 12:08:46 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: screaminsunshine

Cancel Medicare!

End Social Security!


36 posted on 08/24/2009 12:09:48 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Was that a serious response or are you trolling on FR?

Seriously, John Williams is a clown.

When housing prices drop, the majority of American households lose discretionary income due to the CPI-W basket ending up costing more

How does CPI-W go up when housing drops?

and the interest payments on the household debt taking up a larger percentage of the household income and discretionary income.

How does a drop in house prices cause that?

In regard to energy prices, the CPI-W has been manipulated since unleaded gas costs US$0.90 a gallon in 1996. $22/barrel spot.

How?

37 posted on 08/24/2009 12:35:09 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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