[Eva]

I think that you are mis-stating a factor of fascism. In fascism the “people” don’t own anything. It is privately owned and state controlled. It is a kind of symbiotic relationship between the state and elite group of citizens and industries. The people are just serfs. This is where Obamism differs from fascism, under Obamism there is no private ownership or even stockholders or creditors of regulated industries.

Obama’s fascism is really a new form of feudal system. The government are the nobles and the academics take the place of the state run church. The industrialists are like the overseers who manage the private interests at the direction of the elites and union serfs.

[Phlyer]

In fascism the “people” don’t own anything. It is privately owned and state controlled.

Again, a distinction without a difference. One way to explain this is: In Fascism, pieces of paper that are called 'titles' mean nothing. The 'owners' own that piece of meaningless paper, but nothing of real value. The state owns - by virtue of absolute control over - the real value of business.

If I sent you a piece of paper that said you 'own' General Motors, that wouldn't make it so. Neither did the pieces of paper that Fascists allow people to hold.

And so, either the word 'own' becomes tied to a worthless piece of paper - in which case you are right, and property is privately 'owned' and state controlled, but ownership means nothing. Or the word 'own' is tied to having rights over the property, in which case the state 'owns' the property because those holding the worthless pieces of paper have no rights.

The one virtue of a nominally socialist system is that at least they don't pretend that there are any 'rights' associated with private property. But since the fascists only pretend that there are private property rights it is - again - a distinction without a real difference.