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Why is Ron Paul not President?
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Posted on 07/01/2008 2:19:51 PM PDT by mnehring

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To: mnehrling
"...you can blame Dicky Flatt’s buddy, Phil Gramm"

Lormand and Ron Paul's nemesis, Phil Graham

I knew there would be yet another reason to like Phil Graham.

21 posted on 07/01/2008 2:41:48 PM PDT by lormand ("The Planet is fine, the people are $%#ed up" - George Carlin)
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To: mnehrling
For point of clarification Paul is a mix of paleoconservatism and libertarianism. So opposition to neoconservatism and being “anti-war” (a misnomer really because it's truly anti-interventionism) is inherent to those political philosophies.
22 posted on 07/01/2008 2:41:53 PM PDT by PastorTony
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To: PhilCollins
..but.. but.. there is still hope.. they have a plan.. I read it on the Internet, it must be true..
23 posted on 07/01/2008 2:42:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: djsherin
..but the fact that the executive declares de facto war without Congress actually declaring war is something to be frightened about.

Funny, in Iraq, Paul didn't consider an 'authorization of the use of force' a legitimate declaration of war, however, he did consider it a legitimate declaration of war when he voted yes for almost the exact same wording when dealing with Afghanistan.

24 posted on 07/01/2008 2:44:07 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

I dunno... Cuz he’s a moonbat?


25 posted on 07/01/2008 2:44:23 PM PDT by Redcloak ("Yes, I have been drinking. Why do you ask?" #1 on the list of "Things heard from McCain voters")
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To: mnehrling

Perhaps I should clarify. As I said in my initial post, I keep reading about how insignificant Paul is. But at the same time a lot of time is spent talking about someone who is supposedly insignificant. So if he is insignificant then why talk about him, or is it that there is a part of the GOP that is concerned for where his supporters may go in this and in future elections.,


26 posted on 07/01/2008 2:46:52 PM PDT by PastorTony
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To: PastorTony
For point of clarification Paul is a mix of paleoconservatism and libertarianism. So opposition to neoconservatism and being “anti-war” (a misnomer really because it's truly anti-interventionism) is inherent to those political philosophies.

Only in the most elementary school educated sense. For Pre-Wilsonian 'conservatives', even Reagan and Goldwater where neocons. Paul himself said that 'Reagan made Jimmy Carter look conservative'. As for the Libertarians, (party, not lower case 'l' principle), even Ayn Rand scolded them when she called them 'hippies of the right', so I guess the latter would fit if the Libertarians wanted Paul back (but after the embezzlement scandal of 1988, I doubt they do.)

27 posted on 07/01/2008 2:47:00 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

did he run in the last election? Cuz...you kinda gotta run to become prez, dontchaknow?


28 posted on 07/01/2008 2:48:04 PM PDT by Cailleach
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To: PastorTony; lormand; ejonesie22
But at the same time a lot of time is spent talking about someone who is supposedly insignificant.

Because it draws out some nuts who have the craziest arguments and theories about everything. We need a good laugh once a week or so.

29 posted on 07/01/2008 2:48:11 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: lormand
Phil Gramm and Paul have some history. Early last year when Gramm was asked about Paul running, he said something on the lines that Paul could never get a bill passed committee because they where ‘so poorly worded and lacked any detail as to how to accomplish anything they would be an embarrassment if passed from committee.’
30 posted on 07/01/2008 2:50:45 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: PastorTony
I don't recall Ron Paul critics like myself saying that he was 'insignificant'. Anyone who has a microphone in Congress and propagates Al Qaeda talking points is a danger to this Republic and is not insignificant.

Anyone who has a microphone in Congress that frequents 911 truther talk shows is not insignificant, but a danger to this Republic.

31 posted on 07/01/2008 2:52:19 PM PDT by lormand ("The Planet is fine, the people are $%#ed up" - George Carlin)
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To: mnehrling

Because 1.2 million votes wasn’t enough.

I do remember the Bushs in Texas, along with Gingrich and the republican establishment in Washington, being so afraid of Ron Paul getting back in congress in 1996 that they recruited Greg Laughlin to switch from the democratic to the republican party. Paul defeated Laughlin in the run-off republican primary election in 1996 and went on to defeat democrat Charles “Lefty” Morris in November.


32 posted on 07/01/2008 2:53:59 PM PDT by Baron OBeef Dip
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To: mnehrling
Why is Ron Paul not President?

cause he can't see over the Presidential Podium ?
33 posted on 07/01/2008 2:54:45 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: xzins
"I just discovered that the Libertarian Party is blatantly pro-abortion."

Libertarianism is just a hairs difference from Anarchy.

34 posted on 07/01/2008 2:55:53 PM PDT by lormand ("The Planet is fine, the people are $%#ed up" - George Carlin)
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To: PhilCollins
If Rep. Paul was significant, he would have one a primary or caucus, but he didn’t win any.

Neither did supposed "front-runner" Rudy Giuliani. Or Fred Thompson.

I didn't vote for Paul, but like someone here already said, issue-for-issue I'd take Paul over McCain and Obama.

35 posted on 07/01/2008 2:56:58 PM PDT by Baron OBeef Dip
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To: mnehrling

Well everyone I knew that was for Ron Paul was not into conspiracy theories and such. Granted that was only a few people and I know I get a lot of crap for trying to defend “Dr. No”, but I see his policies and actions as uncompromisingly in support of Constitutionalism whereas too many republicans say they want limited government and haven’t delievered.

We’ve had a republican president for the past 8 year and at one point republican control of everything. On the border issue, all we have to show for is an under funded fence. Medicare part D was passed. Entitlement spending grew. Education expenditures were up over 100%. We should have hit Afghanistan with EVERYTHING we had if it was true at the time that Osama was there. And now we’re bogged down in nation building, something Bush ran against in 2000. All I’m trying to say is that too many Republicans throw us a few scraps of the Constitution, some lip service, and then they act as bad as the dems.

I’m not saying that Ron Paul is the second coming of Christ in his chariot ready to slay the infidels (that’s what Obama supporters think). I’m just saying he got a lot of people involved in politics and Constitutionalism (myself and a good number of friends included).

And for the record I haven’t met any of his conspiracy theorist followers, so I can only speak for those followers I have met and talked with.


36 posted on 07/01/2008 2:58:01 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: lormand; PastorTony
Actually, that is a very good point Lormand. I recall early on there where discussions that instead of teaching the youth who he was drawing in about real Constitutional Conservatism, he was instead making Constitutional Conservatism appear to be some twisted form of Libertarian Conspiracy obsessed ideology. Not insignificant, that is a pretty big concern. I guess we lost that point in all the mockery. :->
37 posted on 07/01/2008 2:58:12 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: SoCalPol

So the Barr is the Libertarian Giuliani.

Great selection, LP.

Thanks, socal


38 posted on 07/01/2008 2:58:22 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: djsherin
Well everyone I knew that was for Ron Paul was not into conspiracy theories and such.

You know what is interesting, every Conspiracy Theorist claims they aren't one, even the Father of the 9/11 Truth movement and Paul's good friend Alex Jones claims not to be one. Same with Paul's old pal Lewellian Rockwell.

39 posted on 07/01/2008 2:59:57 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: djsherin
"Besides his anti-war stance, I’m not sure why so many republicans pound him so harshly."

I see that you are new here, so you are not aware of the vast discussions here chronicling the kooks and kook positions that Ron Paul has associated himself with.

Search for Ron Paul, or keyword "stenchhippie" and you will see much of the discussion here.

40 posted on 07/01/2008 2:59:59 PM PDT by lormand ("The Planet is fine, the people are $%#ed up" - George Carlin)
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