[ohioWfan]

You ignore the many conservatives who realized they made a big mistake by voting for NON CONSERVATIVE Ross Perot (he EARNED your votes??......give me a break!! And the little general is now a 'whipping boy???' LOL!!).

Many conservatives realized that they wanted to punish GHW Bush, and unwittingly helped elect a debauched and dangerous man with their vote.

You lose the debate, Maelstrom, because you ignore history.

But, it's been swell talking with you. Perhaps there are lurkers reading our discussion whose minds aren't sealed like a tomb as yours is.......who don't excuse stupidity by falsely labeling it 'prinicple.' I've been around here long enough to know that what some of you call 'conscience' is just old fashioned arrogance and bull headedness.

However.....there IS a difference in the California vote than the 92 Presidential vote, because, unlike GHW Bush, who had many conservative principles and made a few decisions you ultras hated (like the fact that he believed in a strong military, which you conservative boys in your anger over assault weapons, actually helped destroy by helping to elect xlinton), Schwartzenegger has very few conservative principles, and some moderate, and actually is much closer to what you accuse him of being.....a Republican liberal.

My suggestion for you.......... move to a better state.......

IMO, California has gone beyond the ability to elect a true Conservative. If you won't settle for Schwartzenegger, you'll be stuck with a racist, left wing extremist.

For me the choice would be obvious. Have a nice life, Maelstrom.

[Maelstrom]

Ross Perot (he EARNED your votes??

No, Ross Perot was able to *pretend* to be conservative. Something Bush couldn't do.

And the little general is now a 'whipping boy???

No, conservative voters who don't vote for liberal Republicans are being treated as a whipping boy.

You lose the debate, Maelstrom, because you ignore history.

History is replete with liberal Republican failures, Bill Clinton was one, Gray Davis another. You elect liberal Republican who implement liberal policies and then blame conservative Republicans when they lose elections. To me, people who follow this historical pattern have a mental deficiency that should be corrected immediately.

IMO, California has gone beyond the ability to elect a true Conservative.

Then California has become a 3rd world nation. Aztlan is yours. It's still extremely odd to me that people can hold the opinion that the state has gone beyond the ability to elect a conservative (the qualifier "true" is unnecessary because it doesn't exist). California hasn't even *attempted* to provide a conservative candidate. Simon, while conservative, had a number of problems that not all conservatives have...other than perhaps the unmitigated hatred to the point of betrayal by RINOs within the GOP establishment.

Despite all of those drawbacks, he still came very close to beating Davis. People like you seize upon his loss as some sort of proof conservatism is unwanted. Well, I'm here to tell you that Arnold's upcoming failures will represent far more significant reasons to say the same about California Republicans in general.