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To: WhiskeyPapa
[Walt] President Lincoln imdicated that the blacks were selfish in wanting to stay in the U.S. but he never insisted that anyone be forced out of the country.

Well, actually Lincoln said the Blacks were being extremely selfish. Exactly what was it that was selfish about not wanting to get on a ship and just get dumped someplace?

I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it. You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life, perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is -I speak in no unkind sense- an extremely selfish view of the case.

Black people weren't stupid enough to believe THAT pantsload.

Frederick Douglass said:
"Mr. Lincoln takes care in urging his colonization scheme to furnish a weapon to all the ignorant and base, who need only the countenance of men in authority to comment all kinds of violence and outrage upon the colored people of the country." (FD 3:267)

[Walt] The solution he -clearly- settled upon was to give blacks equal rights.

The solution he -clearly- settled upon ... and repeated over and over for years ... was colonization ...

In the language of Mr. Jefferson, uttered many years ago, ``It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation, and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degrees, as that the evil will wear off insensibly; and their places be, pari passu, filled up by free white laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up.''

The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Vol 3, page 541.

I will say that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; that I am not in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. . . . There is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. . . . I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position that the negro must be denied everything.
~ Honest Abe ~

Applications have been made to me by many free Americans of African descent to favor their emigration, with a view to such colonization as was contemplated in recent acts of Congress.
~ Lying Abe ~

Liberia and Hayti are, as yet, the only countries to which colonists of African descent from here, could go with certainty of being received and adopted as citizens; and I regret to say such persons, contemplating colonization, do not seem so willing to migrate to those countries, as to some others, nor so willing as I think their interest demands. I believe, however, opinion among them, in this respect, is improving; and that, ere long, there will be an augmented, and considerable migration to both these countries, from the United States.
~ Clintonesque Abe ~

1,553 posted on 07/11/2003 8:40:00 PM PDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan
The solution he -clearly- settled upon ... and repeated over and over for years ... was colonization ...

President Lincoln ultimately came to support voting rights for blacks. The record is clear.

Walt

1,555 posted on 07/11/2003 9:00:47 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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