Dad who pluggedprowler spurns deal

New York Daily News ^ | 4/08/03 | NANCIE L. KATZ

[Dead Corpse]

I can see a check if you are accused of a crime. It would be evidence gathering.

However, I'm one of those nutcases that believes that once your debt to society is paid, your Rights should be restored. If you are not "safe" to be back on the streets, then why are they letting you out of prison? Also, with a properly armed populace.. a criminals life expectancy drops remarkably. Victims are much more accurate at shooting real criminals than even the police are. Not just in teh sense of hitting their intended target, but actually shooting the correct "Bad" guy.

[SgtofMarines]

Bad storm rolling my way, too - in the form of my "better half." I enjoyed the discussion. Have a good one, everybody.

[Dead Corpse]

Be well... enjoy the storm.

[Dead Corpse]

See 'ya.

[SgtofMarines]

I'm one of those nutcases that believes that once your debt to society is paid, your Rights should be restored. If you are not "safe" to be back on the streets, then why are they letting you out of prison?

I've debated that point with myself. In an ideal situation, I agree with that principle entirely. In today's society, however, I view the policy of Rights removal as part of one's debt to society. It doesn't necessarily have to end when confinement does.

Okay, now I've really got to go! Tak it easy...

[supercat]

While you devote much of your post to the definition of the word "militia," I believe it to be one of the less significant words in the amendment. I find the word "people" to have much greater impact when attempting to discern the true nature of the Second Amendment.

The term "people", in the Second Amendment, means the same as elsewhere in the Constitution and Bill of Rights: "free persons". Arms Restrictions for convicted felons are covered under Amendment XIII.

The function of the first part of the Second Amendment is to clarify what is meant by "arms". The term does not include every object which could conceivably be used as a weapon (otherwise the government would be unable to tax or restrict anything) but rather refers to such objects as may be used effectively as weapons in the context of a well-functioning militia.

[George from New England]

Even his posts are gone...

Are you saying that AllSmiles got yanked and they took the time to pull all his posts.

Boy, this Free Republic is becoming very one-sided.

I didn't agree at all with AllSmiles, but to pull him completely is not-American either.

I would hope the moderator(s) would explain.

[supercat]

Are you saying that AllSmiles got yanked and they took the time to pull all his posts.

The "terminate with extreme prejudice" function does that automatically systemwide. For awhile that was the only way to delete any posts anywhere, but now they can be deleted individually. I don't know what compelled the TWEPing of AllSmiles, though I think he was getting pretty well creamed anyway.

[George from New England]

All Smiles will be back, I guess as HalfFrown or something like that

[George from New England]

"Registration will not prevent criminals from obtaining firearms, and is not intended to prevent criminals from getting firearms."

Ironically, criminals are protected by the law from having to register any guns, because by law they can't own them, and therefore having to register them is a violation of their 5th Amendment rights of self-incrimination.

THIS IS NOT SAID OFTEN ENOUGH !!!

[Dead Corpse]

Yep. Still awake. No need to shout. We are as frustrated as you are.

The USSC has also stated that LEO's have no legal obligation to come to your aid and/or possibly putting himself in harms way. He can just sit it out and call for back up.

Nothing more the revenue generation and clean-up crew officers. Yes, there are some good cops out there. They are getting few and far between these days...

[Centurion2000]

That would sure cut down on the posters flaming you. Hell, why raise the bar so high. Drop it to 110 and you will still be close to alone in here.

From your homepage: Attorney --- commercial litigation.

Figures .... Shakespeare was right about people like you

[Centurion2000]

I don't want to hear this from anyone unless they've demonstrated their commitment to this principle by trying to board a domestic flight while carrying a firearm. Let me know how it works out...

I seem to be able to get ammunition and a lighter on board with no problem.

[Iron Eagle]

I seem to be able to get ammunition and a lighter on board with no problem.

Don't listen to Shakespear's advice, it seems from the above you will be needing at least one lawyer! LOL

[ninenot]

The introductory phrase "A well-regulated militia..." means that firearms were required to TRAIN such militia. In certain Colonies, landowners were REQUIRED to have a musket, or several muskets.

The "trained" militia still exists today. Under USCode something or other, 'militia' is defined as every citizen between the ages of 18 (?) and 50 (?) (trust me, there is a definition, even if I don't know it...but you get the idea.)

It is not a leap of logic to infer that the Fathers expected citizens to be armed and trained.

The Fathers' main concern was tyranny. Some things never change. Ain't it grand??

[ninenot]

Remember old Ilbay? Same stuff. NEVER met a Gummint Department he couldn't defend to the death--nor a bureaucrat that wasn't justifiable and ALWAYS right.

[Dead Corpse]

I think some of them do it just to be argumentitive. See the internet definition of "troll".

Time to head for home.

Be well...

[ninenot]

The term does not include every object which could conceivably be used as a weapon (otherwise the government would be unable to tax or restrict anything) but rather refers to such objects as may be used effectively as weapons in the context of a well-functioning militia.

The Miller case (last 2A case heard by the Supremes) was about a sawed-off shotgun. Apparently it was a type of weapon used by the military, which tells you that the lower courts agreed that "military use" was the criteria they would live by.

Of course, RPG's are 'military use,' as are FULL-auto rifles, 60cal's, etc.

If you really want to have fun with someone, ask them which 'military' weapons 'the people' are NOT entitled to under the 2A.

I want a BlackHawk.

[Clemenza]

Yeah, but let's not forget our WORTHLESS RINO governor and RINO suburban state senators who also strongly support New York's gestapo-esque gun laws. Thankfully, at least my congressman is decent on 2nd Amendment issues (my State Senator could improve, although I am still pissed at him for voting for the smoking ban as well).

[hellinahandcart]

Let's be fair. Rudy was a gun-grabber too. Problem is, that attitude is so common here it doesn't raise any eyebrows.

It should.