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Who's with President Bush?
townhall ^ | February 18, 2003 | Frank J. Gaffney, Jr.

Posted on 02/17/2003 9:27:11 PM PST by TLBSHOW

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To: ohioWfan
Frankly, I always want to know what denomination they are so I can avoid it.
241 posted on 02/19/2003 3:05:22 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Lets review the thread story......backwards


the Administration must not allow those who are “with” its enemies in that struggle to continue being with the President and his team

Frank J. Gaffney

Is this a good thing or bad?



242 posted on 02/19/2003 3:06:56 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: CyberAnt
It certainly was a conservative issue when Clinton tried to appoint ONE homosexual.

Bush appoints six over true conservaties and all of a sudden it goes away as an issue?
243 posted on 02/19/2003 3:07:15 PM PST by Jael (Thy Word is Truth!)
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To: Mo1

Todd NEVER answers questions put to him; he has nothing to back them up with. Hell, he won't even claim them as his OWN opinions!

244 posted on 02/19/2003 3:07:20 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jael
You are obsessed with hate. Why is that?

I would say you should ask yourself that question. Your posts are one hateful screed after another.

Most unpleasant to read.

245 posted on 02/19/2003 3:07:25 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Jael
Homosexuality is only part of this thread because after coming on this thread and chastising other to stay on message:
Y'all need to refute the evidence, not attack the messenger.
109 posted on 02/19/2003 1:59 PM PST by Jael (Thy Word is Truth!)

.....YOU BROUGHT UP THE SUBJECT and took it off into left field:


To: ohioWfan I don't think it's fair to call Bush godly. I mean, after all, he has promoted more homosexuals into high positions than Clinton ever did. Besides, Bush is such a humble guy, I don't think he'd like being called godly.
114 posted on 02/19/2003 2:02 PM PST by Jael (Thy Word is Truth!)

You are disrupting the thread as others have suggested.

246 posted on 02/19/2003 3:08:07 PM PST by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor. Only YOU can prevent Freepathons!)
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To: Jael
No, your world view is not about God.....it is rather that anyone who doesn't see things exactly the way you do is wrong, not conservative, and not as holy as you are.

You are disguising your narrow minded political/ideological views in pseudo-spiritual verbiage.

You are totally transparent, Jael, and you're not fooling anyone.

247 posted on 02/19/2003 3:08:11 PM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President, our troops and our nation.....)
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To: Jael
100-War on terror, Iraq







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248 posted on 02/19/2003 3:08:13 PM PST by woodyinscc
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To: TLBSHOW
The president has to meet with a lot of people.

What else is bothering you?
249 posted on 02/19/2003 3:08:39 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: TLBSHOW
You cannot be serious.....you want ME to answer a question for you when there are questions that have been on here for HOURS that you don't or won't or can't answer?

I think you're FOS and don't have a moral principle in your body.

Fake.

250 posted on 02/19/2003 3:08:46 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Carolinamom
I don't think he said that. He posted an article about the issue and the old lady thread nannies who sit at home with nothing better to do tried to rip him for it.

But as you see, he was right anyway.

He may be wrong on some other things, I don't know.
251 posted on 02/19/2003 3:09:01 PM PST by Jael (Thy Word is Truth!)
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To: Jael
Sorry ... I don't keep TLB's trash
252 posted on 02/19/2003 3:09:35 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: Lancey Howard
Diplomacy - saying "Nice Doggy" while reaching for a stick.
253 posted on 02/19/2003 3:10:02 PM PST by Search4Truth (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
What else is bothering you?

Before today, he said that Bush was an evil commie rat and just like Bill Clinton. Today's he's bumped it up to traitor and in bed with terrorism!

254 posted on 02/19/2003 3:10:13 PM PST by Howlin
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To: ohioWfan
I believe the Bible. If you don't, that's between you and God.

But promoting homosexuals and placating the non conservative homosexual lobby is not conservative.
255 posted on 02/19/2003 3:11:04 PM PST by Jael (Thy Word is Truth!)
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To: Howlin
I have the feeling that should I happen to walk through the door of one of their churches, I would turn around and walk right out.

Actually, I've done that.

It is most disturbing when one uses false spirituality to spew hatred for others........and decidedly not Christian.

256 posted on 02/19/2003 3:11:37 PM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President, our troops and our nation.....)
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To: Mo1
To be honest the threads moving so fast at this point that you might as well repeat the question or questions as I thought this thread was already finished with yesterday and the night before! Well till Howlin found it interesting which means I must be on to something here. Since when she is wrong i am right so ask me what you want.
257 posted on 02/19/2003 3:11:37 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Howlin
I think you're FOS and don't have a moral principle in your body.

How about simply chemically unbalanced?

258 posted on 02/19/2003 3:12:01 PM PST by woofie
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To: TLBSHOW; All
Todd,

Neither Frank J. Gaffney or the Center for Security Policy are saying that Bush is a traitor.

Read the author's summary:

"It is very much in the President's interest -- and the Nation's -- that moderate, law-abiding, peace-loving and patriotic American Muslims be embraced and empowered by the Bush Administration and all those who support it in waging a war on terror, not on Islam."

"To do so, however, the Administration must not allow those who are “with” its enemies in that struggle to continue being with the President and his team."

In no way is he suggesting that Bush is a traitor. He's suggesting that the White House should not be meeting with these characters. I agree. I also notice that these meetings took place in 2001. Why Gaffney is bringing it up now I have no idea. I think he's criticizing Bush's political team for setting them up to begin with.

Read what the Center for Security Policy suggested Bush say about the war situation:

(Washington, D.C.): President Bush has been getting a lot of free advice lately about what he should say in his State of the Union address tomorrow night. Here is the Center for Security Policy's contribution:

My fellow Americans: Tonight, it is my solemn responsibility to describe for you an unacceptably grave risk to our national security -- and what we are going to do about it.

For seventeen months, we have been waging a war on terror, a defensive response to a scurrilous attack that caused the premeditated death of thousands of our countrymen. We have struck at the al Qaeda network that was most immediately involved in carrying out the September 11th hijackings. All over the world, operatives of this Islamist terror organization are today being sought, apprehended or killed in the hope of preventing further, and possibly far more destructive, attacks upon us, our allies or our vital interests.

Indispensable to that effort has been our campaign to deny al Qaeda the logistical support, training facilities and safe haven they once enjoyed in Afghanistan. In the process, thanks to the skill, courage and sacrifice of our armed forces and intelligence services, we have helped to liberate the Afghan people and to offer them an opportunity rarely known to their long-suffering nation for representative self-governance, political freedom and economic opportunity.

The Iraq Connection

We have reason to believe, however, that another government played an indispensable role in planning, facilitating and executing the September 11th attacks: Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq. Unfortunately, at the moment the evidence of this involvement is circumstantial and less than clear-cut.

The case for implicating Saddam and his operatives in the latest and most deadly attack upon us is even more compelling, though, when added to evidence that points to his complicity in earlier terrorist acts -- the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and the 1996 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Tonight, sitting with the First Lady, are two intrepid women who have done pioneering work ferreting out and calling attention to this evidence: an internationally recognized specialist on Iraq and best-selling author, Dr. Laurie Mylroie, and television-reporter-turned-independent investigator, Jayna Davis of Oklahoma City. I would ask you to join me in saluting them for pursuing leads that neither the federal government, prosecutors or the media have done enough to date to investigate.

My administration is working to correct this shortfall and to learn all we can -- to connect the dots -- between Saddam's sponsorship of terror, his oft-stated desire for revenge and the actions of others, be they followers of a blind sheik, disaffected American "militiamen" or al Qaeda operatives. We will probably not know the full truth about the Iraqi connection, however, until Iraq is liberated as Afghanistan has been, and the secrets of the former's brutal regime are brought to light.

Time is Not on Our Side

What we do know already is that it would be irresponsible to afford Saddam Hussein an opportunity to attack again, either directly or through cut-outs. This is particularly true since the next attack may well involve the use of weapons of mass destruction on our soil or overseas. This danger exists because Saddam has assiduously pursued the production and stockpiling of such weapons and continues to violate international commitments and UN Security Council resolutions requiring him to disarm.

We also know that the only effective way to ensure such disarmament -- and the only hope that it will not be followed by a covert Iraqi rearmament -- is to liberate Iraq from Saddam's brutal misrule. Affording more time for inspections that are not disarming Iraq and that, even if they were, would not in and of themselves preclude Saddam from subsequently rearming, would do nothing to prevent him from engaging in further acts of terror against us. To the contrary, additional weeks or months may well provide just the opportunity he needs to exercise a monstrously lethal strike.

The Bottom Line

In the hope of preventing such a possibility, with the intention of advancing regional and world peace and with a determination to liberate the Iraqi people, I have ordered the United States military at this hour to launch operations aimed at removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. As they do so, they will be accompanied and facilitated in their campaign by a number of other nations' combat units joining ours in operating from foreign bases and, with permission, through foreign airspace.

The speed and cost of this operation will ultimately be decided by the help we receive from those who have at least as much interest as we in ending Saddam's malevolence -- his own people -- as by the skillful employment of our weaponry. It is, in no small measure, in their hands, whether Iraqi weapons of mass destruction are found and neutralized, or employed by the regime's henchmen. The question of whether Saddam Hussein succeeds in destroying Iraq's oil fields and national infrastructure may depend on the swiftness and efficacy of popular resistance. We will work with the opposition to secure these goals and to build a new, free and prosperous Iraq, a model for the region and the world.

My report to you tonight is that we have acted, as we must, to defend our vital interests. We are doing so in a way that will minimize the threats now confronting us, that holds out hope for a more peaceful and secure world and that will enhance the state of our Union. God bless America.

(http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=papers&code=03-D_04)

I think your characterization of Gaffney and the Center's opinion on this issue is completely wrong and your accusations that Bush is a traitor is way over the top.
259 posted on 02/19/2003 3:12:07 PM PST by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!)
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To: TLBSHOW
Nice try .. I will email Frank later and ask him about his words

For now I am interested in YOUR words that you made in YOUR post ..

THink you can handle that?
260 posted on 02/19/2003 3:12:08 PM PST by Mo1 (DC Chapter .. Patriots Rally for America IV .. on Saturday, March 1st)
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