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To: Dataman
Why don't the evolutionists simply grind creationism into the dust of history with their logic and proof?

Uhh, they slowly are. That is what all this contention is all about. I can't believe all the energy wasted on this subject. Even if it were proven right Creationism is utterly useless. If it were then that is left then is mind control. Don't think that cause the church says no. We've been there before, it was called the Dark Ages.

Something evolutionists either won't believe or won't admit is that creationists have the same evidence evolutionists have for the formation of theories regarding the origin of the earth and of life.

There isn't one theory that doesn't not contain the presupposition, the Begged Question, of a Supernatural that cannot be proven prior to the presupposition. Name me one thing, anything, the proves the existence of the Supernatural prior to the assumption of It's existence. By definition, it is not possible.

It is true we have slightly less evidence than you do.

There is no evidence. Zero, Zilch, nada. Nothing. No fingerprint of God, no toeprint, no bad breath, nothing. None.

Why is it you are the only one willing to even think about the problem of the origin of matter?

I have, I call it, "What went Bang?" But utterly disproving evol doesn't prove anything else. Assume evol is wrong, assume ID is wrong, then what is left? What is the evidence then? Maybe everybody is wrong and the answer is so strikingly obvious that nobody wants to see it.

998 posted on 01/22/2003 11:46:15 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
Uhh, they slowly are. That is what all this contention is all about. I can't believe all the energy wasted on this subject. Even if it were proven right Creationism is utterly useless. If it were then that is left then is mind control. Don't think that cause the church says no. We've been there before, it was called the Dark Ages.

The Dark Ages were brought on because the church withheld the Bible from the individual. Therefore the individual wasn't aware of the corruption and power grab of those in power in the church. Good godly men were few and far between, because of corruption or ignorance. When the Bible became available to the masses a little experiment called the United States followed shortly thereafter.

Mind control went out when people began studying the Bible for themselves.

There isn't one theory that doesn't not contain the presupposition, the Begged Question, of a Supernatural that cannot be proven prior to the presupposition. Name me one thing, anything, the proves the existence of the Supernatural prior to the assumption of It's existence. By definition, it is not possible.

There is this story that seems to have captivated the world for the past 2000 years. This man did supernatural miracles. He made audacious statements about how we got on this planet. Where we go when we die. How we were designed to rule over the animals, not to think we are animals. The record, which is far more substantiated than any other ancient document, says he arose from the dead and spoke to many people for 40 days after his resurrection (500 people at one point).

Because we don't as individuals, or a group, have all knowledge in our universe, intellectually we can only take an agnostic position. God said there is no God before or after Him and there is no other God. Assuming He had the ability to create the universe we live in, we are convinced he would also know if there was a God other than Him. Therefore logically there doesn't necessitate prior existence to Him.

There are greatly more available documents, Biblical and non-Biblical, supporting the things Jesus said and did than documents supporting the life and teaching of Aristotle, Plato and Socrates. And they lived prior to Jesus.

There is no evidence. Zero, Zilch, nada. Nothing. No fingerprint of God, no toeprint, no bad breath, nothing. None.

An empty tomb. Many brilliant people for the last 2000 years have acknowledged Jesus as God. Newton, Galileo, Augustine and most importantly J.R.R. Tolkien among many others. Don't cast aside God's rendition of creation before a thorough investigation.

The breath in your lungs is from God, if your breath is bad brush your teeth and don't blame God. </sarcasm

1,006 posted on 01/23/2003 12:48:09 AM PST by bondserv
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