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To: Dataman
1: Matter created it self. I've already explained that self-creation is a logical absurdity.

Really? Why so?

2:) Matter has always existed. This is also absurd.

Really? Why so?

3: The third option is that matter was created.

Since you think you are being logical, doesn't that idea logically lead to the question of who created it and where such creators came from? Do I need to mention "turtles all the way down"?

576 posted on 01/19/2003 3:54:48 PM PST by balrog666 (If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything - Mark Twain)
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To: balrog666
Do I need to mention "turtles all the way down"?

Aw man, *I* wanted to do that! Hmph!

At least allow me to append spontaneous creation and annihilation of virtual particle pairs as a preemptive counter to whatever "logical justification" is presented for point #1.

578 posted on 01/19/2003 4:12:34 PM PST by Condorman (So logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, then she's made of wood...)
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To: balrog666
Really? Why so?

Read post 574 for the answer.

659 posted on 01/20/2003 5:58:52 AM PST by Dataman
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