To: DBtoo
I don't see why a person who believes in Darwinism is automatically an atheist. That's not quite fair or right. That's why evolution is classified as either theistic or atheistic. Most of the evo defenders on FR are of the atheistic type. Aric2000 claimis his own messiah will appear in the next 4 years so he must fall into the theistic camp. Junior claims to be theistic but sometimes I wonder.
Whether theistic or atheistic, the theory of evolution has been flawed from the beginning and continues to be fatally flawed in all its mutated forms. The presuppositions necessary for the theory as taught in our schools are impossible for a reasonable person to believe. Perhaps this is why only half of public school students believe it. The presuppositions are those of the materialist worldview, the most basic of which is "matter and its motion are all there is." This presupposition rules out the existence of God.
Yet it is absurd at face value:
Matter exists but its origin is ignored.
Matter moves but there was no first motion.
Do you understand the absurdity?
If a materialist says, Matter and its motion are all there is," he has just limited the origin of the matter to matter itself. He has also made the Prime Mover matter itself. Of course matter cannot be self-creating. Self creation is a logical absurdity since something must exist before it can create itself.
The motion of matter is the other problem for the materialist. We all learned in junior high about inertia; that mass in motion tends to stay in motion and that mass at rest tends to stay at rest. What set the first matter in motion? "The Big Bang" is not an answer. What caused the Big Bang, what made it explode? We know from science that things don't explode by themselves. There has to be a set of contributing circumstances all of which require motion.
So that's the long answer for why we find the majority of evos to prefer atheism. I do find it rather amazing (perhaps amusing too) how they will rail against what they think is an absurd theism yet will embrace absurd physics.
412 posted on
01/18/2003 4:41:18 AM PST by
Dataman
To: Dataman
In your rantings it appears you missed my question at
post 321:
Perhaps you would be so good as to summarize how genetic variation, the principles of heredity, and the probability of reproductive success manage to provide a framework for astrophysics?
423 posted on
01/18/2003 9:31:01 AM PST by
Condorman
(If any of you are telekinetic, please raise my hand.)
To: Dataman
What do creationists have to say about Neanderthal Man and other hominids who lived in the past?
513 posted on
01/19/2003 4:07:43 AM PST by
DBtoo
To: Dataman
First of all, you have no clue what my religion is, the messiah I am talking about is the Jewish Messiah, but he sure isn't mine.
Science can Niether prove nor disprove the existence of god, therefore god as a causation in science is not science, it is religion. ID and Creationism are BOTH religion.
The fact that 1/2 of students don't believe in evolution, do NOT mean a thing. It does NOT matter whether they believe in evolution or not. Evolution is science, therefore it should be taught in a science class, that is it's place. If a student chooses NOT to believe in evolution, they choose not to understand or believe in scientific theories and methods, therefore, they will most likely NOT become scientists. But they will have had some education in science and the scientific method, that is what science classes in schools are for.
ID does NOT compete with Evolution, it is NOT scientific.
THere is NO theory, right now, that competes scientifically with evolution. And from the way things are looking, there never will be. Evolution seems to be it, it has so far stated the right things, has made the correct assumptions, and the facts that have come to light have fit right into it.
549 posted on
01/19/2003 12:20:11 PM PST by
Aric2000
(Evolution is science, ID and Creationisme are Religion, Any questions?)
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