Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar
Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
I did, he didn't. I think God has lost his Mojo.
So9
Good idea. Let's start with Iraq.
So9
First, I'm sorry for going off on you. This subject is very close to my heart. And thank you for the congrats. Sanctity of Life week starts tomorrow and my wife, who volunteers at the local Crisis Pregnancy Center is representing both the CPC and giving our family testimony of how the boys came into our lives at our church tomorrow. Here's one great commercial everyone should see.
However, my question is genuine, and the explanation for my question will reveal one reason why I became an atheist.
Thank you for the explanation. That is truly a sad story.
As I see it, sin entered the world through one man, and not just death through that sin, but all kinds of evil, and that evil will continue to grow. But focusing on the evil is the opposite of that which we should be focusing. What about all the good in the world. God gets blamed for all the bad not doesn't get any credit for all the good.
While the death of that young boy is very tragic, that doesn't mean his example should be held up as justification for abortion or to state he would have been better off aborted. It doesn't seem fair for the boys life, but perhaps some good will come from the horrible way he died. Yes, I have a really good idea how that can come across.
You would probably not believe my life story and I'm certainly not going to share it here. But I too walked away from my faith in 1979. It would be the mother of all understatements to say that on April 3, 1991 God got my attention. Now I'm back for life. To quote Job, though he may kill me, yet I will trust in Him.
Obviously you don't have any answers to my questions either, but have instead selected a typical straw-man argument. Don't feel too badly though, I've asked a number of theologians these same sorts of questions and none has any answers for me.
That is not the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It's amazing how such myths prevail despite being so easy to look up if a person really cared about not spreading untruths.
In particular, it applies to the *net* entropy of a *closed* system. Open systems can increase in entropy and there are examples of it even outside of human interventions. Crystal formation is one.
Why should you be concered with observations in thermodynamics anyway? Isn't it easier just to declare everything an act of God and leave it at that? Makes for smaller science texts too.
Lung fish? Mudskippers? Homo habilis? Australopithicus? Archeopteryx? Volvox?
Anyway despite numerous examples both living and fossilized, the interviewee effectively disarms himself by (falsely) declaring that evidence of transitional forms would have to be found in soft tissue records which don't exist. This is an effective plea of ignorance on the subject, which is probably the only truth to emerge from the interview.
Does not seem like it could have happened with a single mutation does it?Yep. And if you can't get from a unicellular to a man in one generation, you can't do that at all, either. At any rate, it looks to me to be the same logic....
As a result of all the above, I think it should be pretty clear to those who have an open mind that at no point is there a possibility that the changes necessary to achieve a transformation of the reproductive system from egg laying to mammalian live birth can be achieved in a single generation.
Note, Dan, that despite all you said back in your post 378, gore isn't attacking the mainstream science version of evolution at all. Well, why should he start now for you if he hasn't been persuaded to address the real issues in two years?
In fact, your 378 would make a fine reply to his 425, had he not posted 425 in reply to 378. That's the kind of thing I meant earlier by predicting a non sequitur response. How many times on how many threads have I rebutted a point or answered a question, only to have gore jump in and "rebut" my post with the original point/question I had been addressing?
In Holy War, there is no surrender. When you're out of bullets, you point the gun and yell "Bang!"
This is probably the most incoherent rant I've seen on this forum. Some advice--don't do what the voices in your head tell you to do.
I once decided to study embryology and went to the library. The librarian dropped an 1100 page embryology text in front of me. It's then I decided that God makes it happen and avoided a close call with actual knowledge.
But surely you aren't suggesting that Gould thinks evolution is untenable. Or that he's a Creationist.
Actually it seems that anyone who doesn't believe the world was created in 7 days is an atheist, liberal, and Taliban.
It makes you wonder what adjectives they save for the likes of Ted Bundy. Probably the same ones. You're probably an a par with serial killers too.
Was this little boy all there was? Or was he a spiritual being? Did he in fact survive death? You indicated you had been Christian. Was he a spiritual being before birth? You may want to have a look at Expecting Adam by Martha Beck.
So, which is it? Is this life not a precious commodity to be fought for, preserved and experienced, or is it something less...a mere speck in relation to the eternity we will all someday confront?
Well said...
Very nice. He sounds like the kind of gentleman I could have deep philosophical discussions with into the wee hours of the night over a good cigar and a tulip of cognac.
Only if you tied him up, poured the cognac over him and lit him with a wooden match (for the cigars of course)
So9
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