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To: the_doc; Starwind
still think gdebrae and I are united on the point which you have raised. Revelation 20 is a strange text in some ways, but I think it's clear from John 5:28-29 that the physical resurrection of the physically dead occurs all at the same time. (Revelation 20 merely keys on those who are condemned in their spiritual deadness.)

I agree that there will be one historical resurrection event where both believer and unbeliever are bodily raised. That is the clear teaching of John 5 as well as other passages.Note for instance, Matthew 13:47-50 "So shall it be at the end of the age (eon, not cosmos):the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the righteous, (the rapture of the wicked) and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth."

I think that Rev. 20:11-15, while relevant to the historic event, is showing us the spiritual dimension of one aspect of that event, namely the spiritual deadness of all who have refused to believe in Christ. This is God's final word about unbelievers. God's final word about believers is found in Romans 8:1,2 as well as Rev. 20:4-6.

837 posted on 11/28/2002 9:42:51 AM PST by gdebrae
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To: gdebrae; the_doc
I think that Rev. 20:11-15, while relevant to the historic event, is showing us the spiritual dimension of one aspect of that event, namely the spiritual deadness of all who have refused to believe in Christ. This is God's final word about unbelievers. God's final word about believers is found in Romans 8:1,2 as well as Rev. 20:4-6.

I agree it is God's final word about all unbelievers. However the text is silent on believers. The text does not identify anyone at the white throne judgement found in the book of life. No one 'living' is standing there. So, just to be clear, do you interpret Rev 20:11-15 as including the bodily resurrection of all other believers (not included in Rev 20:4-6), those who are physically dead and saved in Christ?

This is the point where I think I see you and the_doc taking different interpretations.

838 posted on 11/28/2002 10:16:57 AM PST by Starwind
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