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Ron Paul: Questions That Won't Be Asked About Iraq
House Floor ^ | 10 Sept 02 | Dr. Ron Paul

Posted on 09/10/2002 12:57:09 PM PDT by Zviadist

Congressman Ron Paul
U.S. House of Representatives
September 10, 2002

QUESTIONS THAT WON'T BE ASKED ABOUT IRAQ

Soon we hope to have hearings on the pending war with Iraq. I am concerned there are some questions that won’t be asked- and maybe will not even be allowed to be asked. Here are some questions I would like answered by those who are urging us to start this war.

1. Is it not true that the reason we did not bomb the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War was because we knew they could retaliate?

2. Is it not also true that we are willing to bomb Iraq now because we know it cannot retaliate- which just confirms that there is no real threat?

3. Is it not true that those who argue that even with inspections we cannot be sure that Hussein might be hiding weapons, at the same time imply that we can be more sure that weapons exist in the absence of inspections?

4. Is it not true that the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency was able to complete its yearly verification mission to Iraq just this year with Iraqi cooperation?

5. Is it not true that the intelligence community has been unable to develop a case tying Iraq to global terrorism at all, much less the attacks on the United States last year? Does anyone remember that 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and that none came from Iraq?

6. Was former CIA counter-terrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro wrong when he recently said there is no confirmed evidence of Iraq’s links to terrorism?

7. Is it not true that the CIA has concluded there is no evidence that a Prague meeting between 9/11 hijacker Atta and Iraqi intelligence took place?

8. Is it not true that northern Iraq, where the administration claimed al-Qaeda were hiding out, is in the control of our "allies," the Kurds?

9. Is it not true that the vast majority of al-Qaeda leaders who escaped appear to have safely made their way to Pakistan, another of our so-called allies?

10. Has anyone noticed that Afghanistan is rapidly sinking into total chaos, with bombings and assassinations becoming daily occurrences; and that according to a recent UN report the al-Qaeda "is, by all accounts, alive and well and poised to strike again, how, when, and where it chooses"

11. Why are we taking precious military and intelligence resources away from tracking down those who did attack the United States- and who may again attack the United States- and using them to invade countries that have not attacked the United States?

12. Would an attack on Iraq not just confirm the Arab world's worst suspicions about the US- and isn't this what bin Laden wanted?

13. How can Hussein be compared to Hitler when he has no navy or air force, and now has an army 1/5 the size of twelve years ago, which even then proved totally inept at defending the country?

14. Is it not true that the constitutional power to declare war is exclusively that of the Congress? Should presidents, contrary to the Constitution, allow Congress to concur only when pressured by public opinion? Are presidents permitted to rely on the UN for permission to go to war?

15. Are you aware of a Pentagon report studying charges that thousands of Kurds in one village were gassed by the Iraqis, which found no conclusive evidence that Iraq was responsible, that Iran occupied the very city involved, and that evidence indicated the type of gas used was more likely controlled by Iran not Iraq?

16. Is it not true that anywhere between 100,000 and 300,000 US soldiers have suffered from Persian Gulf War syndrome from the first Gulf War, and that thousands may have died?

17. Are we prepared for possibly thousands of American casualties in a war against a country that does not have the capacity to attack the United States?

18. Are we willing to bear the economic burden of a 100 billion dollar war against Iraq, with oil prices expected to skyrocket and further rattle an already shaky American economy? How about an estimated 30 years occupation of Iraq that some have deemed necessary to "build democracy" there?

19. Iraq’s alleged violations of UN resolutions are given as reason to initiate an attack, yet is it not true that hundreds of UN Resolutions have been ignored by various countries without penalty?

20. Did former President Bush not cite the UN Resolution of 1990 as the reason he could not march into Baghdad, while supporters of a new attack assert that it is the very reason we can march into Baghdad?

21. Is it not true that, contrary to current claims, the no-fly zones were set up by Britain and the United States without specific approval from the United Nations?

22. If we claim membership in the international community and conform to its rules only when it pleases us, does this not serve to undermine our position, directing animosity toward us by both friend and foe?

23. How can our declared goal of bringing democracy to Iraq be believable when we prop up dictators throughout the Middle East and support military tyrants like Musharaf in Pakistan, who overthrew a democratically-elected president?

24. Are you familiar with the 1994 Senate Hearings that revealed the U.S. knowingly supplied chemical and biological materials to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war and as late as 1992- including after the alleged Iraqi gas attack on a Kurdish village?

25. Did we not assist Saddam Hussein’s rise to power by supporting and encouraging his invasion of Iran? Is it honest to criticize Saddam now for his invasion of Iran, which at the time we actively supported?

26. Is it not true that preventive war is synonymous with an act of aggression, and has never been considered a moral or legitimate US policy?

27. Why do the oil company executives strongly support this war if oil is not the real reason we plan to take over Iraq?

28. Why is it that those who never wore a uniform and are confident that they won’t have to personally fight this war are more anxious for this war than our generals?

29. What is the moral argument for attacking a nation that has not initiated aggression against us, and could not if it wanted?

30. Where does the Constitution grant us permission to wage war for any reason other than self-defense?

31. Is it not true that a war against Iraq rejects the sentiments of the time-honored Treaty of Westphalia, nearly 400 years ago, that countries should never go into another for the purpose of regime change?

32. Is it not true that the more civilized a society is, the less likely disagreements will be settled by war?

33. Is it not true that since World War II Congress has not declared war and- not coincidentally- we have not since then had a clear-cut victory?

34. Is it not true that Pakistan, especially through its intelligence services, was an active supporter and key organizer of the Taliban?

35. Why don't those who want war bring a formal declaration of war resolution to the floor of Congress?


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To: Mark Bahner
But saddam is not an American citizen sitting in a court of law for mail fraud. He's an enemy tyrant with suspected ties to the single worst day since the civil war.
761 posted on 09/12/2002 6:05:20 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Mark Bahner
I don't think our airport security right now is the "right way" or even close. But if I security measure was effective and decreased the chance of plane being hijacked, what's an extra 30 minutes?

Freedom is isn't about inconvenience. This country CAN and does have freedom AND security.
762 posted on 09/12/2002 6:09:27 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: sneakypete
Of course, so would almost all people. But I think the "police state" is a bogey man in this respect. Al Qaeda can be destroyed without forming a Gestapo.
763 posted on 09/12/2002 6:12:34 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: sneakypete
That's New Hampshire and being the only state w/out an income OR a sales tax it's far from socialist.
764 posted on 09/12/2002 6:13:38 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Texasforever
>>>Harry Browne should sue Paul for plagiarism.

Ain't it the truth!

765 posted on 09/12/2002 6:23:12 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Isle of sanity in CA; Zviadist
Relax. I agree with you for the most part. I was getting Zviadist's attention

you sure did :) :), where in CA ? I grew up in LB right on OC border

766 posted on 09/12/2002 6:24:11 AM PDT by vooch
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
1. Our US Constitution was adopted in 1787...done deal. Now, from this letter of 1816:
"And lastly, let us provide in our constitution for its revision at stated periods"

Already provided for in the US Constitution. Keep in mind this was 1816 and the US Constitution was already adopted in 1787. Now other states are writing their own constitutions. So do you believe it possible that Jefferson is referring to the constitution for the state of Virginia or other states in the process of adopting their state constitutions?

Finally, what did Jefferson mean when he wrote to Madison in 1809:
"I am persuaded no Constitution was ever before so well calculated as ours for extensive empire and self-government." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1809. ME 12:277

767 posted on 09/12/2002 6:42:31 AM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner
So do you believe it possible that Jefferson is referring to the constitution for the state of Virginia

It's not only possible, it's a fact. The letter was written regarding the Virginia Constitution.

The principle would apply, however to a federal constitution as well.

768 posted on 09/12/2002 8:28:00 AM PDT by Isle of sanity in CA
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To: vooch
Temecula - Small (but growing) town between Riverside and San Diego...
769 posted on 09/12/2002 8:29:38 AM PDT by Isle of sanity in CA
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To: sneakypete
None of this really matters. The upcoming war with Iraq has nothing to do with fighting terrorists or punishing those who attacked us. We are going to attack them because they are a "easy" target,and because everybody already hates them. It's all about keeping the poll numbers up for the coming mid-term elections,and that's all it's about.

Agreed agreed agreed. Wait till stupid Americans find out that the 100 billion to attack won't come out of thin air, but rather out of our own shaky economy. What a bunch of saps! Then some real Islamic nutcases will be cheesed off enough by our attack on a country that has not agressed against us and will do another terror attack on us. Brilliant! Oh...but our glorious boy bureaucrats at "Homeland Security" (Ja!) will protect us!!!

770 posted on 09/12/2002 8:56:46 AM PDT by Zviadist
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
On your 1st point I agree in principle, but since this hasn't been done in 60 years it doesn't change my opinion on what we should do. If congress abrogates its' responsibility, then I have no problem with the pres taking action.

You "have no problem" with violations of the Constitution? Then what the hell are you doing on an explicitly pro-Constitution website?

771 posted on 09/12/2002 8:59:31 AM PDT by Zviadist
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To: takenoprisoner
I'll say again about our Constitution...live by it and die for it. Without our Constitution of these United States of America, there is not now nor has there ever been an America. And folks who now wish to deny it are our enemy.

Agreed!!! And considering this is a pro-Constitution website, you'd think more would agree with us. Look at all the people on this thread who argue against the Constitution? Incredible!

772 posted on 09/12/2002 9:04:12 AM PDT by Zviadist
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
The constitution is just a piece of paper expressing ideals.

I think you should be banned for this statement. It is egregious and is completely in violation of the principles of this website. This is a pro-constitution website. Don't peddle your "piece of paper" crap around here!!!!!!

773 posted on 09/12/2002 9:07:35 AM PDT by Zviadist
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
"The constitution is just a piece of paper expressing ideals."

What nonsense! You must have taken history/civics in a public school! ;-)

The Constitution doesn't contain "ideals." The Declaration of Independence contains "ideals." The Constitution contains The Law. The Supreme Law of the Land, to be specific.

"Before I have been of the opinion of 'Don't fix it if it's not broken" but lately I'm of the opinion that it IS broken since it is not respected.'"

What is broken are The People. The People are too lazy, weak, and ignorant (see aforementioned public schools) to demand that their elected leaders follow the Constitution. Exhibit A is some of the nonsense posted on this board (and this website, for that matter).

"Now, how to get a constitutional convention off the ground......?"

A constitutional convention, attended by Republicans who are authoritarian/socialist (>90% of elected/appointed officials...e.g., G.W. Bush, T. Lott, D. Hastert, J. Helms, E. Dole) and Democrats would be an unmitigated disaster. Those men and women have not even 1/1000th of wisdom of the Founding Fathers.

Even a constitutional convention run entirely by Freepers would likely produce a document, on the whole, inferior to the present Constitution. (Because the places where freedom-loving Freepers would change the document for the better, would be more than counterbalanced by the places where authoritarian/socialist Freepers would change the document for the worse.)
774 posted on 09/12/2002 9:08:33 AM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: takenoprisoner
Suddenly I feel as though I am in the twilight zone and I am looking for Rod Serling to show up any second to tell me not to adjust my monitor.

Amazing, isn't it? One more argument for ending the public school system.

775 posted on 09/12/2002 9:11:07 AM PDT by Zviadist
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To: AppyPappy
"There was also a time when a person didn't make a statement that he couldn't prove."

Ok, Pappy: Are you, or are you not, a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer?

If your answer is "no"...please prove it.
776 posted on 09/12/2002 9:12:20 AM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
The principle would apply, however to a federal constitution as well.

Well I again refer you to what Jefferson said to Madison concerning our Constitution.
"I am persuaded no Constitution was ever before so well calculated as ours for extensive empire and self-government." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1809. ME 12:277

Doesn't read like he would be willing to redo it every 19 years to me. Course even if he did, he could dream on...since the following would apply and Jefferson knew it.

To Propose Amendments

Two-thirds of both houses of Congress vote to propose an amendment, OR
Two-thirds of the state legislatures ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments. This version has not yet been used.

To Ratify Amendments

Three-fourths of the state legislatures approve it, OR Ratifying conventions in three-fourths of the states approve it. This method was used only once -- to ratify the 21st Amendment (repealing Prohibition).

Needless to say, it is quiet the daunting task to amend our US Constitution.

777 posted on 09/12/2002 9:22:38 AM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: Texasforever
His ratings are dropping like a stone. That 85% is based on his 11 years in office. He has gone from 76 to 70 in two years. If he is re-elected, and that is no lock, he will be at the same level as Kennedy by the end of his term.

It is clear that you know nothing about south Texas politics. You are totally incorrect on the numbers.

778 posted on 09/12/2002 9:25:40 AM PDT by Zviadist
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To: jjm2111
"He's an enemy tyrant..."

The U.S. government, at present, has no "enemies," under the Constitution. Under the Constitution, the CONGRESS of the United States determines who are enemies of the United States, and the Congress declares war on them "enemies" when they make that determination.

"...with suspected ties to the single worst day since the civil war."

"Suspected?" By whom? The President of the United States? Well, la-di-dah! Once again, the President of the United States does NOT have the Constitutional authority to kill "suspects"...in the United States, or any other country in the world.

In fact, even CONGRESS does not have the Constitutional authority to kill suspects...either in the United States, or any other country in the world. Congress authorizing the killing of a "suspect" would be a "Bill of Attainder"...which is prohibited by the Constitution:

"A bill of attainder may be defined to be an Act of Parliament for putting a man to death or for otherwise punishing him without trial in the usual form. Thus by a legislative act a man is put in the same position as if he had been convicted after a regular trial."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02059c.htm

What Congress CAN do, legitimately, is to declare "war" on the Saddam Hussein government of Iraq, and to authorize the President to wage that war according to the Constitution and appropriate treaties (e.g. the Geneva Convention).

Such a declaration of war would ALLOW the President to kill Saddam Hussein...but Saddam Hussein would have to be given the opportunity to surrender himself, to be tried in a U.S. court, as a "suspect" in 9/11/01. (Or for whatever other crime that occurred in U.S. jurisdiction, for which he is a suspect.) (Or he could be extradited, to stand trial in whatever other country had jurisdiction for any crime he committed.)

That's how things are done, according to The Law. It's an outrage that the overwhelming majority of elected and appointed Republicans (and Democrats, obviously) have no desire to follow The Law. And the people that vote for those law-breakers are pathetic.
779 posted on 09/12/2002 9:27:22 AM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: Zviadist
Did this character Isle of CA say he was in the Navy?
780 posted on 09/12/2002 9:32:20 AM PDT by takenoprisoner
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