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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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Comment #1,481 Removed by Moderator

To: ArneFufkin
People, individually, are fine, though... :0)
1,482 posted on 09/06/2002 9:52:39 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: exodus
Molemen from the deep.
1,483 posted on 09/06/2002 9:52:49 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
"People suck." That was the name of one of the tunes from the "Up up With People" tour if I recall.

Or a little ditty hummed by a former President on Intern Day ...

1,484 posted on 09/06/2002 9:53:32 PM PDT by strela
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To: Howlin
Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

The curling iron brigade seems DRAWN to places where they don't want to be.

They come...they scoff...they bait...we conquer. And then they bitch at US???????

Almost like they WANT to be spanked.

Suppose it is some sort of masochism gone RIGHT?
1,485 posted on 09/06/2002 9:54:04 PM PDT by justshe
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis; justshe; rintense
Didn't you get the memo? I checked 10% for "requested salary increase".

Run it by rintense and she'll run it by Racicot.

1,486 posted on 09/06/2002 9:54:42 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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Does anyone else find it hysterically ironic that that mod-haters are the ones who have pinged the Admin Mod to this thread?
1,487 posted on 09/06/2002 9:54:54 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: gcruse
We can't voice opposition to Republicans, we can't compare the socialist policies of our government to a central European fascist organization, and now we can't even support our friends.

To: exodus
Criticizing the drug war won't shine the brass any, either.
# 1419 by gcruse

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Nope, we can't say anything against Republican support of the drug war.

Also, never, ever hint that a vote for a third party conservative is better than a vote for a liberal Republican.

1,488 posted on 09/06/2002 9:55:38 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Howlin
Perhaps YOU should go back to one of your drug threads.

Typical, same old sorry line.

1,489 posted on 09/06/2002 9:55:47 PM PDT by niki
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Not only ironic, but just like a kid who replies to the age-old question of "Who Started it?" with, "Well, it all started when HE hit me back!"
1,490 posted on 09/06/2002 9:56:07 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
WHEW!

Thanks!

Of course, after taxes...we'll only see 6% of the 10%.

And after we send our MONEY ORDERS in for our monthly donations...we'll be at 1%. But then postage will eat THAT up.

I see....we are STILL volunteers, aren't we?
1,491 posted on 09/06/2002 9:56:41 PM PDT by justshe
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To: tpaine
How original of you!

Treat yourself to an Energy Bar and try again. The Roids must be kicking in

1,493 posted on 09/06/2002 9:57:17 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: exodus
Nope, we can't say anything against Republican support of the drug war.

There are at least 3 threads per day doing that very thing. So you are a liar.

1,494 posted on 09/06/2002 9:57:29 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Hey..........I actually got an email from Racicot. I mean...a direct response to an email I had sent him. With actual responses to my concerns!

Amazing, no?

1,495 posted on 09/06/2002 9:58:16 PM PDT by justshe
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To: MJY1288
It was very late and my patience with such an idiot got short and I made some references to his immediate family and expressed my uncontrollable desire to wrap my hands around his scrawny little neck.

There you go! The moderators must have assumed by your behavior you were a libertarian, and hence the persecution you endured that night. ;)

1,496 posted on 09/06/2002 9:58:26 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: justshe
Was it about the raise?
1,497 posted on 09/06/2002 9:59:13 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: niki
Typical, same old sorry line.

Unlike your original, snappy repartee, right?

BTW, I don't see how you could possibly claim I've used the "same old sorry line" on you before since I'm pretty sure I've never addressed you or your drug threads before.

Unless, of course, you post under another nick, too.

1,498 posted on 09/06/2002 9:59:24 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: justshe
I see....we are STILL volunteers, aren't we?

Well.......yeah, but the virtue is priceless.

1,499 posted on 09/06/2002 9:59:36 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I hope so...
1,500 posted on 09/06/2002 9:59:49 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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