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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: strela
Give me a couple of codeine though and its beddie-bye time for me.

And sweet vivid nightmares to you too!:-)

1,441 posted on 09/06/2002 9:34:27 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Howlin
Naaah. Just waiting for the Guinness to wear off. I've already got the 500 scalp on my belt - let someone else have 1500.
1,442 posted on 09/06/2002 9:34:56 PM PDT by strela
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To: niki
And I don't think referring to another posters wife as being a mail order bride because she is Korean is proper forum etiquette, dear.

There was a little more to it than that, and there's also the fact that some parts of forum etiquette don't apply in the SBR.

Unfortunately, we aren't THERE, and in THIS part of the forum, dragging arguments from thread to thread is against the rules.

I'd suggest if you want to continue discussing this topic, you return to the original thread and ping me there, because I won't be responding to you any more on that topic here.

1,443 posted on 09/06/2002 9:35:03 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Texasforever
It actually proves some discourse is still to be obtained.
1,444 posted on 09/06/2002 9:35:29 PM PDT by Ragin1
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To: niki
Typical. That response from the likes of you doesn't surprise me. Run along and go play with the clique, little racist.

When someone uses such a valley girl word like "clique" then all that can be assumed is that the person is a valley girl.

1,445 posted on 09/06/2002 9:36:00 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: wirestripper
No dreams, nightmares, or otherwise. Codeine works on me like turning off my power switch - I just go away for 14 or so hours.
1,446 posted on 09/06/2002 9:36:25 PM PDT by strela
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To: niki
Let me guess: you got blackballed from a sorority in college and haven't gotten over it.

That's the only thing that could account for those snippy posts of yours.

1,447 posted on 09/06/2002 9:36:29 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: ArneFufkin
Use you positive energy for positive people.

Why not use your positive energy for negative people? They're the ones that need it the most.

1,448 posted on 09/06/2002 9:37:16 PM PDT by William Terrell
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To: ArneFufkin
"principled libertarians"

Now!!! That's an oxymoron if I've ever seen one

1,449 posted on 09/06/2002 9:37:27 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Gosh, I was over at Liberty.com for all of 5 mins, and saw this:

"Jim Robinson at un-Free Republic is a hypocrite and a liar."

Sentry Over America posted on 2002-09-04 23:17:10

I guess FR is a big threat to them. We will probably see more of this. But I think JR is big enough to handle it.

In fact, I just bet, JR would WELCOME other conservative sites. It is really sad though, that a fringe element from FR is trying to start a website off the good name of FR. Kind of behind his/JR's back, or on it.

I can only imagine, that had anyone spoken up to JR about wanting to start another site, that JR would have happily backed the effort. Jims agenda, has always appeared to us, to be the advancement of a better government. A conservative government. That being said, his goal would be even better served, the more conservative websites there are. So I see a ton of sour grapes. Thats just how I see it at this point. Sad, huh?

I was actually hoping that Liberty.com would take off and be a huge success. I'm a tad disappointed at their tactics at this juncture. Too bad really....

1,450 posted on 09/06/2002 9:38:03 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: exodus
Oh sure you can support your friends. It's still a free society. I even heard through the grapevine that www.theothersite.com is available. What do you say you and all your friends have at it, start your own site and we'll all come there to see the latest hate government stuff.

Maybe it's a southern thang, but you just don't go to somebody else's home and tell them how much you hate the place and keep coming back to bitch about how bad their decorating style is. Some things are just tacky.

1,451 posted on 09/06/2002 9:38:11 PM PDT by swheats
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To: Ragin1
It actually proves some discourse is still to be obtained.

No you are confusing discourse with mental masturbation. Here is a hint. There is no requirement that each and every brain fart be put into words.

1,452 posted on 09/06/2002 9:38:26 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: one_particular_harbour
"Ugh" indeed fufkin. Look, we're ALL playing a silly game called the 'dozens', arnie.

-- If you want to escalate this into a real ugly thing, just keep up the cowardly asides, like the above 'flotsam'.

Otherwise, take it to the backroom or freepmail me. -- Your choice asshole.
1357 posted on 9/6/02 8:52 PM Pacific by tpaine
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To: ArneFufkin

Oh look. tpaine is deliberatel trying to place himself within the ranks of the honorable banned who "merely were critical of the Bush administration" by calling you a name and flagging the moderator at the same time.
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You're a weird little scumbag OPH. -- Just a year or so ago you were one of 'us' that were critical of the overmoderaton.
-- Now you seem to think you're some sort of a 'power that be' at FR.
Take your petty hypocrisy and shove it. You're a lightweight, in everything but butt.
1,453 posted on 09/06/2002 9:39:41 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Ragin1
You just aren't funny. It's not political. It's ... humorlessness. Some of you ardent anti-statists would be a little more engaging and noted if you had human personalities. You're a bunch of druids. God bless Willie Green, D1, Sabertooth, Fred Mertz, AAAPatriot, Registered etc etc., too many to mention. Those guys are smart, funny and great and I don't agree with their party politics (we have some ideological kinship) one Freeping iota. Who cares, they're here and kicking arse wit' a quickness.

LewRockwell.com needs to order a recall for the last robotic model they released into our midst.

1,454 posted on 09/06/2002 9:40:01 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: justshe
Written statements don't have quite the force of actions, justshe.
1,456 posted on 09/06/2002 9:41:16 PM PDT by exodus
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To: niki
little racist

You really need to back that up to be taken seriously. Care to point out the slightest hint of racism you've ever seen from me at any time on FR?

If you can't produce it, you will look awfully desperate.

Pssst......you already do anyway, but I'm trying to be fair. ROTFLOL !!!!!

1,457 posted on 09/06/2002 9:41:28 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: William Terrell
BIOYA pal. I won't forget that discussion. That separated the humans from the creeps.
1,458 posted on 09/06/2002 9:41:44 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: tpaine
Dude, take a couple of these and go to bed. You'll feel better tomorrow.


1,459 posted on 09/06/2002 9:42:22 PM PDT by strela
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