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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: wimpycat; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; tpaine
I'm sure that is very distressing to you.

I'm sure I'll just cry myself to sleep tonight.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

1,401 posted on 09/06/2002 9:15:03 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: wirestripper
waisted=wasted............lol........too many percocets!
1,402 posted on 09/06/2002 9:16:00 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: justshe
LOL
1,403 posted on 09/06/2002 9:16:09 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: wirestripper
Good point. I'll pass that one on to Dr. Deb!
1,404 posted on 09/06/2002 9:16:20 PM PDT by justshe
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To: Amelia
Well, I just hope you can bear up under the shame of it. :-)
1,405 posted on 09/06/2002 9:16:35 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Amelia
I don't think dragging posts from the Smoky Back Room over to the main forum is quite in line with forum etiquette, dear.

And I don't think referring to another posters wife as being a mail order bride because she is Korean is proper forum etiquette, dear.

1,406 posted on 09/06/2002 9:16:46 PM PDT by niki
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To: Howlin
Oh, Howlin.
1,407 posted on 09/06/2002 9:17:05 PM PDT by justshe
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To: balrog666; BADJOE; PatrickHenry; general_re; VadeRetro; longshadow; Registered; JediGirl; ...
To: BADJOE
We'll start withholding our contributions to FR (you contributed, didn't you?) when crotchety secessionists like myself get stifled. It hasn't happened yet. I don't see where there's a problem.
# 51 by warchild9


To: PatrickHenry; general_re; VadeRetro; longshadow; exodus; Registered; JediGirl
Interesting. What's happening behind the scenes now?
# 109 by balrog666

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I don't know about "behind the scenes," but I was suspended for 6 days because of my support of BADJOE's heroic actions.

I'm not a crotchety secessionist, but I was stifled. Why? For defending the honorable actions of a friend.

To me, that seems a little extreme.

We can't voice opposition to Republicans, we can't compare the socialist policies of our government to a central European fascist organization, and now we can't even support our friends.

1,408 posted on 09/06/2002 9:17:43 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Texasforever
"He is kept around for one purpose, a constant reminder of what not to become."


If FR becomes like YOU tex, it will die. - Guaranteed.
1,409 posted on 09/06/2002 9:17:52 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
If FR becomes like YOU tex, it will die. - Guaranteed.

Is that in writing?

1,410 posted on 09/06/2002 9:18:49 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: exodus

1,411 posted on 09/06/2002 9:19:36 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: tpaine
Or our money back?
1,412 posted on 09/06/2002 9:19:58 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: exodus
To me, that seems a little extreme.

With your performance the last month 6 days is a slap on the wrist.

1,413 posted on 09/06/2002 9:20:40 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: exodus
Jim Robinson has a message for you, exodus, HERE
1,414 posted on 09/06/2002 9:20:51 PM PDT by justshe
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To: one_particular_harbour
I remember when tpaine got bounced the FIRST time. Jim let him back in. Jim has let EVERYONE who is not engaged in a full time mission to destroy his forum and family financial security back in.

That's what pisses me off. Buckeroo did EVERYTHING he could to get 86ed, and it took three months anyway. This notion that people are being seized from their beds like Nazis grabbing Hungarian gypsies is bogus. Look at the folks like Mojo, Don Morgan, Navigator, Alygrl, etc. ... their accounts are still active. They're still welcome here. Lucianne is welcome here. Jack Thompson has had three or four lives here.

I don't like unusual generosity exploited then dishonorably smeared. Anywhere, anytime in my life. tpaine needs a slapping, he's the worst of the worst people I've ever encountered. He adds nothing to the brew, he's a destroyer and ingrate.

1,415 posted on 09/06/2002 9:21:20 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Mo1
LUSH!


1,416 posted on 09/06/2002 9:21:31 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Kevin Curry
Yep, kevin, honor.
-- Everyone on FR has more honor than your anti-constitutional cultist group. - You know that.
1,418 posted on 09/06/2002 9:22:05 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: exodus
We can't voice opposition to Republicans, we can't compare the
socialist policies of our government to a central European fascist
organization, and now we can't even support our friends.

Criticizing the drug war won't shine the brass any, either.

1,419 posted on 09/06/2002 9:22:29 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: William Terrell
Sorry your boy Chuck Zito got the death sentence. You were right there behind him all the way. Those bastard cops, right? I'll never forget your little blue apple boy.
1,420 posted on 09/06/2002 9:22:52 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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