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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: tpaine
But in any case, there are a group of cultists here


Speak for yourself and Islam since those are the only cults I see!
1,381 posted on 09/06/2002 9:07:01 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: tpaine; Amelia
Ach! Amelia, you haven't earned that status, my dear. I'm sure that is very distressing to you.
1,382 posted on 09/06/2002 9:07:41 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Kevin Curry
Kevin, I promise I am not an AM LOL ... but imagine their job. They're pissed off after babysitting a bunch of juvenile deliquents on thread A, and they check thread B with a very short fuse. Maybe you don't get the latitude on thread B you usually get. Well, the AM is taking no more shit that evening.

That's the way it happens, I've had my brilliant bon mots and street smart profanity rejected and I've been thrown in the cooler when I was too nasty and warlike with other Freepers. Like anyone, you feel injustice at that time and place, but upon reflection its all for good cause, and ultimately for the best interests of the group. Ongoing Flame wars between individuals are BORING to the rest of the community, and they shouldn't be permitted.

This entire AM crisis is absolutely contrived, and it's an attempt by really disliked and unwanted folks anywhere else on the Web to bully their access into here. If they jibba jab in a bar on the subjects, and in the way, they do here, they're going to get ostracized at the very least, and most likely have their teeth knocked down their throats for their efforts. Don't call me a Nazi or fascist in a bar or on the sidewalk if you want a nice evening, but people do that in here to me all the time.

1,383 posted on 09/06/2002 9:07:42 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: tpaine
Pssssst.........


Your line is out of whack!
1,384 posted on 09/06/2002 9:07:45 PM PDT by justshe
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To: Dianna
"....I still haven't found out what happened to the brown dog with the girlfriend in the car of the guy with all the guns."

I heard he ran off with a moose.

1,385 posted on 09/06/2002 9:07:49 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Willie Green
LOL!
1,386 posted on 09/06/2002 9:08:09 PM PDT by justshe
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To: Willie Green
ROTFLMAO
1,387 posted on 09/06/2002 9:08:35 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
Earnest T. Bass?
Good grief man, you watch Mayberry? - And use it for a comparison to reality?

Get a life.
1,388 posted on 09/06/2002 9:08:38 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: BADJOE
Ya boy. Cynical watchfulness is as close to trust of a government as a good citizen ought get.

1,389 posted on 09/06/2002 9:08:53 PM PDT by William Terrell
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To: Texasforever
Great challenge, Tf.
1,390 posted on 09/06/2002 9:09:19 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: wimpycat; Amelia
I'm sure that is very distressing to you.

Not to mention the rest of us. I don't know if I respect her anymore now that I know that. [EXTREME SARCASM]

1,391 posted on 09/06/2002 9:09:19 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: MJY1288
Dr. Deb had a couple of really good descriptions for a couple of 'types' on this forum. She told me I could steal them.

Dr. Deb: Recalcitrant "Gold Star" conservatives or the 'never-really-wanted-to-be-a-Republican-in-the-first-place' Libertarians
1,392 posted on 09/06/2002 9:10:32 PM PDT by justshe
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To: ArneFufkin
1812? -- Not true.
-- But my maternal grandfather was born in Buffalo Co. Wisc, in 1860.
1,393 posted on 09/06/2002 9:13:01 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: niki
I don't think dragging posts from the Smoky Back Room over to the main forum is quite in line with forum etiquette, dear.
1,394 posted on 09/06/2002 9:13:10 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: tpaine; MJY1288
He's mean, but he makes up for it by being real healthy.

You won't get that, tpaine, but MJY will, LOL!
1,395 posted on 09/06/2002 9:13:10 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: MJY1288
I've been warned once when I went off on a so-called "true Conservative" who said I shouldn't be allowed to vote.

On the one and only discussion of stem cells thread I ever went on (before Bush made his decision), I was told flat out by one of those "true conservatives" that my sister, who died of ovarian cancer, had "lived long enough" and didn't need stem cell replacement, period, even though the "true conservative" never let me get in the fact that she used her OWN stem cells.

1,396 posted on 09/06/2002 9:13:22 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: justshe
You forgot the "I've waisted my vote on a republican for the last time", democrat.
1,397 posted on 09/06/2002 9:14:04 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: tpaine
unlike you numbnutz, I have a memory that can see beyond this mornings breakfast. Your contributions to this discussion have as much worth as Salon.com's market value. The juvenile and ignorant responses you post here speak for themselves. You're a stain on FReeRepublic
1,398 posted on 09/06/2002 9:14:43 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: tpaine; Amelia
Your opinion is meaningless to me, my dear. -- You haven't earned that status. - Sorry.

Well of course not, Silly. Even if she wanted to, she couldn't stoop to your level; subterranean, right?

Nope.......not Amelia. Won't be happening, Pain.

1,399 posted on 09/06/2002 9:14:49 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
I think the issue of suspensions need, once and for all, to be proven. There are a lot of assertions and I for one am getting tired of it having been suspended 3 times myself. This is really getting old.
1,400 posted on 09/06/2002 9:14:51 PM PDT by Texasforever
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