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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: tpaine
Name them.
1,281 posted on 09/06/2002 8:15:37 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: tpaine
Get a clue, clown. It's about two moderators who hate libertarian/3rd party types, Pitiful.

Well who doesn't? You are the poster boy for what passes for libertarian “thought” around these parts.

1,282 posted on 09/06/2002 8:15:39 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Bravo, and I would add this...... I completely and totally disagree with this problem being aired like this. Joe should deal directly with Jim, leave the rest of us out of it, including the (VOLUNTEER) moderators and handle this issue like an adult. If it can't be worked out... then accept the fact it's not his website and deal with it, OR MOVE ON
1,283 posted on 09/06/2002 8:15:57 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: tpaine
It's about two moderators who hate libertarian/3rd party types, and are petty enough to take advantage of their 'power'.

As much as I know I'm going to hate myself for asking this, I'm dying to know HOW you know that. Source, please?

And for the LOVE OF GAWD, don't use that silly formatting you usually use.

1,284 posted on 09/06/2002 8:16:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: wirestripper
A voice of reason as always, WS. Ssshh....I won't let on what a hothead you can REALLY be. Hehehe...
1,285 posted on 09/06/2002 8:16:22 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: MJY1288
Oh, I think he's already discussed this privately with Jim. Guess he didn't get the answer he was demanding and that's why we're here yet again.
1,286 posted on 09/06/2002 8:16:52 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Miss Marple; Howlin; rintense
My, my, dear friends! What are nice ladies like you doing on a thread like this? (Imagine hearing my best Bogie impression)

I confess I had to pop onto this thread just to see what could possibly be interesting enough to merit 1200+ posts. I was disappointed, and pooped out after reading 200 or so. I then flipped to the back of the book to see how it ends, and look who I find!

I take it that someone is mad because things aren't run the way he wants, and desperately wants us all to know about it.

Other than that, have I missed anything? Warmest regards, Tonto

1,287 posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:35 PM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Okay okay, she's right. There's nothing fake about me. And that's all I'm gonna say! : ) (I'm thinking of submitting some of my best posts for review by the judges, however.)
1,288 posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:36 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I'll take your word for it :0)
1,289 posted on 09/06/2002 8:18:42 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: MJY1288
Joe should deal directly with Jim, leave the rest of us out of it, including the (VOLUNTEER) moderators and handle this issue like an adult. If it can't be worked out... then accept the fact it's not his website and deal with it, OR MOVE ON

Big ditto........nice and gentlemanly would be the right way to do it.

1,290 posted on 09/06/2002 8:18:42 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: beckett; BADJOE
How was Forrestal's death mysterious? I thought it was a clear case if suicide, preceded by a nervous breakdown after being removed from office. He had made several previous attempts. He finally succeeded by jumping from a 16th story window at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Are you saying that a former Sec of Def, a man who now has an aircraft carrier named after him, was pushed? I hope you're not talking about that weird "roswell" rumor.

Beckett, I agree with you -- I didn't think there was anything "mysterious" about Forrestal's suicide.

1,291 posted on 09/06/2002 8:19:09 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: ArneFufkin
You're flipping, fufkin. -- YOU brought up some 'gang', & I played along.

But in any case, there are a group of cultists here, fer sure. Most are posting on this thread.
1,292 posted on 09/06/2002 8:19:15 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: BADJOE
Well I had may say during the last mega-thread, and I'll not discuss the substance of your latest post. It's been said.

I do think I owe One-Particular-Harbour an apology, I thought she came down on you kinda hard when Jim and yourself tried to mend fences.

The sad thing is, I was about to E-mail Jim and say that I had noticed a marked improvement in the moderation of this site. Moderators were giving alot more warnings, and deleated posts were accompanied with explanations as to what limits were violated. Those explainations I found to be very helpful.

Frankly I'm stunned at this thread. IMHO the changes were beginning, and noticable.

1,293 posted on 09/06/2002 8:19:20 PM PDT by M.K. Borders
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To: TontoKowalski
Oh, read the thread....we're have FUN FUN FUN.
1,294 posted on 09/06/2002 8:19:40 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
nice and gentlemanly would be the right way to do it.

Of course, if there was an agenda, though, that way wouldn't work...

1,295 posted on 09/06/2002 8:20:09 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: TontoKowalski
Well, you CAN start about 1000......and skip all the whining!
1,296 posted on 09/06/2002 8:20:24 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: tpaine
But in any case, there are a group of cultists here, fer sure. Most are posting on this thread.

Careful Tpaine the cult may perform an exorcism on you.

1,297 posted on 09/06/2002 8:21:50 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Of course, if there was an agenda, though, that way wouldn't work...

Bingorooney !!!

1,298 posted on 09/06/2002 8:22:04 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Thanks. ; )
1,299 posted on 09/06/2002 8:22:52 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: TontoKowalski
Well, those of us who don't view the world darkly sort of took over the thread. There is a contest posted for a "Top Ten" list on "Why I Am A Happy Freeper," some cool pictures were posted, and then we discovered that Howlin, Old Friend, Texasforever, myself, and others were on a "Top Ten A**W*PES" list on a site frequented by disgruntled freepers.

We then have discussed how to get on the list, how to hold a pageant to fill the vacant spot, and other such fluff.

I am having a martini. Care for one?

1,300 posted on 09/06/2002 8:23:38 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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