[Moby Grape]

Thanks very much for the links...From what I have read, I believe that big bang has merit, however I am willing to examine others...although I do not claim astropyhsics competency. There are small examples of big bang known to us now....black hole (drawf stars) that eventually explode outward to start the process again....but I do NOT claim expert status...only common sense examination.

[medved]

...although I do not claim astropyhsics competency

In this case, you don't need it; logic and common sense will suffice. Having all the mass in the universe collapsed to a point would be the mother of all black holes; how in hell's anything supposed to "big bang" its way out of that??

Other than that, the notions of an expanding universe and a "big bang" have been shown to be based on nothing more than a misinterpretation of redshift data, as the Dragonscience site and Halton Arp's own site will note.