[Seizethecarp]

“Was it the same Barack Hussein Obama with whom Malik says he remembers playing with when they were boys? The same Barack Hussein Obama who Malik says taught school in Uganda?”

All:

Malik was best man in Barry’s wedding so I think he would know who his father’s one and only documented, corroborated namesake is.

IMO it is extremely poor and misleading researching to take as true a bunch of single-sourced, hearsay, one-off comments, such as Malik’s reported by newspapers (who always get something wrong in my experience) or Mary Toutonghi’s memory of her baby’s age in months just to spin a favored narrative appearing to be motivated solely to fulfill the Mal-Val narrative requirement that Malcolm X be Barry’s dad and that Valerie Sarruf be his mom: therefore, a priori, Stanley Ann cannot be Barry’s mom.

So far on this thread:

In Fred Nerks’ (FN’s) narrative Mary Toutonghi must have failed to recognize that the Anna in Seattle wasn’t Stanley Ann but was an Asian woman and also that Mary failed to recognize that the baby Barack she knew was not the baby we have all become very familiar with but actually baby Roman Obama, the “dark child.”

FN claims that the UW transcript for SADO showing her in the apartment bldg. with Toutonghi is forged even though WND published it and UW hasn’t sued WND and not a singe UW administrator or alum (except the anonymous FReeper David) says it is fake. Note that the UH registar affirms SADO’s courses at UW but FN has previously declared the UH registrar’s transcript and summary to be fraudulent...while offering zero evidence at all for his alternative Asian Anna.

FN has put up two pictures of Asian women near BHO Sr. (party and dock), one of them ID’d as an Anne (who has a Japanese last name). FN has invited FReepers to assume that one of them is an alternate Anna in Seattle in early 1961 based on nothing that I have seen, but at the same time claiming he never said Anna in Seattle was Asian. Note that Roman Obama doesn’t look at all Asian or mixed race.

FN insinuates that Gramma Sarah can’t tell the difference between POTUS Barry and Roman Obama and must be covering up a baby swap.

FN insinuates that Malik’s off-hand comments support the Mal-Val narrative of Roman Obama being first in Seattle with his Asian mom Anna and then somehow spirited to Kenya at about the same time that baby Barry is swapped into HI into Stanley Ann’s custody as a nanny/adoptive mother.

FN claims that Roman Obama, the “dark child” son of Asian Anna in Seattle was somehow posed in a picture with baby “Zero” who he overtly asserts is POTUS Barry in around 1964 (actually documented to be Mark and David in around 1970). FN endlessly posts pictures of David Obama and Baby POTUS Barry and insists that they are the same person based on nothing but resemblance.

FN provides NO coherent narrative that can place Roman Obama and young POTUS Barry together in the same place for these pictures FN claims were taken of them together and with BHO Sr. and Ruth Baker (actually in Kenya).

FN’s narrative requires that despite the INS FOIA docs, birth announcements and Polk registry placing Stanley Ann and POTUS Barry in the same home with Madelyn and Stanley Armour, the Dunham grandparents never laid eyes on POTUS Barry until he came to HI at about age three.

FN insinuates that Madelyn and Stanley Armour pretended that POTUS Barry was their grandchild starting at around age 3 and persisted right up to Madelyn leaving Barry $0.5 million in her will!

Frankly, I think there are some group sanity issues here because FN has persuaded several FReepers that this all makes sense and that Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf are Barry’s mom and dad!

[Fred Nerks]

She might have been the woman in the dark glasses at the MX funeral, she probably wrote the eulogy printed under the name Jo Ann Newman, she taught him the Shakespeare he quoted in his speech at the Oxford Union, she's a relative of the baby-sitter by marriage...and as for the rest of the story, someone else will have to tell you. Might as well learn to love your President, because he's planning to be a permanent fixture, and freepers like YOU are here to help make it happen.

[Fantasywriter]

Thanks for the ping, and for both your summaries, 461 & 466. They were helpful and informative.

Here’s what bothers me about the Mal-Val narrative. It’s not just put out there as a theory, w corroborating evidence to be discussed and debated. It’s put out there as FR Birther Gospel, and anybody who doesn’t buy it is a twerp, a lunatic, a troll or worse. That’s the problem w it in a nutshell: the nastiness that attaches to any questioning or rejection of it. How can anyone not see this is a liberal tactic? Conservatives argue facts and evidence, while liberals resort to name-calling and personal put-downs. At least that is the rule, but the Mal-Val theory proves there are exceptions.

My take on all this is perhaps a bit different/singular. My position rests on various facts and evidences that have come out during the past five or so years that have struck me as particularly dispositive. Really, there are only two major and one minor items that stand out (to me): Barry’s own claim of being born in Kenya, the missing records in the National Archives, and Barry’s confusion over the date of his own B-Day.

In order. It is impossible to understate the significance of Barry’s own claim of Kenyan birth. This goes all the way back to 1980. Obama was approached to write an autobiography, based all or almost solely on the fact of his being the first ‘black’ president of the Harvard Law Review. At this point, one of two things happened/was the case. Either records of Obama’s Kenyan birth were much more easily accessible, and the agent knew of his point of origin [and deemed it a plus in the narrative she envisioned] or else Obama, having nothing to lose via the truth and nothing to gain via a lie, noted his true birthplace (in the bio blurb that he wrote for the agency).

Here’s what didn’t happen. Obama didn’t lie about where he was born—not on this occasion. He was a penniless student, and an agent was offering him a fat bonus in advance of a book of which he had yet to write a single sentence. About the only way he could screw up this easy $ would be to tell a whopper right out of the gate. I.e.: not even a liberal literary agency wants an autobiography from a person incapable of even honestly stating their place of birth. It means the entire tale will be fabricated, & $ isn’t made on an autobiography constisting entirely of easily detected falsehoods. [Yes, Ayers lied his butt off on the final product, but by then sufficient records had been sealed to allow the “memoir” (w a looser standard of truth than an autobiography) to fly. In 1980, a pathologically lying literary unknown would not have interested the agency.]

Nor did the agency collaborate w Barry to lie about the birthplace. Integrity mattered more in 1980 than it does now, and the agency would have been a laughingstock if they promoted an author as born in Kenya who could easily be shown to have been born in the USA.

So the odds are at least 99 to 1 that Barry and his first literary agency correctly identified his country of birth. Also note that this fact was allowed to stand for 13 yrs, until such time as it came to light and threatened Barry’s legitimacy. At that time the agency offered the breathtakingly ludicrous excuse that it hadn’t “fact checked” Barry’s place of birth. Anybody who bought that explanation for an entire nanosecond is either staggering ignorant or staggeringly stupid. That’s just not how it works.

Second point. Any theory that doesn’t cover/nail the missing wk in the National Archive travel record is a nonstarter. In an investigation that has been fraught w roadblocks and red tape, the few solid facts which have emerged must be given priority in any analysis. The Cold Case Posse discovered that one wk, and one wk only, had been excised from the National Archive travelogue: that wk that bounded Barry’s supposed Aug. 4 ‘61 B-day.

So the question is, whose arrival from what foreign country so threatened Barry’s narrative that the National Archive record itself had to be degraded to cover it up? If it was Granny Dunham, flying back from Canada where she went to attend her only daughter’s first birth, where is the record of her flying out of HI in the first place? Perhaps such records are not kept, and this is the actual explanation.

More likely, it seems to me, is the arrival of SAD from whatever circuitous route she took to come home from Kenya. Such an arrival would destroy Barry’s nativity story in one fell swoop, and so would have HAD to be expunged from the record.

Playing into this scenario is Barry’s confusion over the date of his own B-Day. Speaking of the upcoming big event, he placed the actual date in about the third wk of July. Now people who’ve lived 50 yrs do not confuse the date of their own birth. They just don’t. People juggling 2 B-Days, the real one and the fake one—especially not particularly bright people, like Barry—could easily slip up and allude to the real B-Day on at least one occasion.

Meaning, Barry tipped us off to the date on which he was born in Kenya. SAD must have lingered too long and been forced to give birth there. Afterward, she waited only until Barry was allowed to accompany her on a plane and then she vamoosed.

Once in HI, Granny Dunham got busy and established US citizenship for Little Barry. This explains Barry’s confusion over which hospital he was born in, and also why 2 eyewitnesses claim Barry’s original ‘birth records’ are mostly handwritten. It explains all the other oddities too: why Barry’s BC # is actually that of a dead baby girl, why his efforts to produce a printed LFBC have been so torturous and fraudulent, and why no one in HI recalls SAD going into the hospital maternity ward or coming home w a newborn. It also explains Neil Abercrombie’s comment to his close friend that no official record of BHO’s birth existed in HI. A BC has since been concocted and placed in the file, but as the time Abercrombie searched for it, it just wasn’t there.

[Note: there is no contradiction between Barry’s fake US citizenship records and his claim of Kenyan birth. Having identified, by then/1980, w his Kenyan father/black-half, he saw no reason to lie to the agent about the actual country of his birth. He wasn’t educated well enough to know a Kenyan birth would impact his future POTUS aspirations, and besides, Granny Dunham’s records would stand despite anything Obama let slip about his true origins. It is entirely reasonable to see Barry at the time in his life when he’d rejected his white/American half and gone all in on his black/African half owning his Kenyan birth, only to hush it up later when it threatened his free-loading AF1 lifestyle. Fwiw.]

So that is my conclusion. Agree or disagree, either way is fine w me. As a bonus, I won’t dub anyone who disagrees w me stupid or a troll. Hopefully the truth will come out eventually. Till then we all just do the best we can w the facts at hand. This is my best analysis. Time will tell.