Did you ever vote for any other candidate with even a speck of permissiveness towards abortion? If so didn’t you also incur the implied damnation there, even if the candidate’s opponent would have led to a worse abortion situation than the candidate did?
I’m not telling you about what Protestants say. Pick up a bible and read it and you’ll get the gist of that. I’m telling you what other serious Catholics say. They don’t believe God countenances the stupid situation where only the perfect may get a Christian’s secular nod, leading to the worse of two bad alternatives prevailing.
I’m not telling you about what Protestants say. Pick up a bible and read it and you’ll get the gist of that. I’m telling you what other serious Catholics say.
***I gather your discussion here is only focused on what catholics would and should do in this situation. To point out the obvious, this turns a blind eye to what the remaining conservatives are presented with. Notably, you say to ‘pick up a bible and read it’, which is probably what everyone, including catholics, oughtta do.
They don’t believe God countenances the stupid situation where only the perfect
***Here you are arguing against an exaggeration of the situation, otherwise known as a straw argument. Perfection isn’t the issue. Holding onto one’s principles is the issue. Listening to that gnawing conscience is the issue. If the conscience whispers when you vote for a candidate with a speck of permissiveness towards abortion, then you should respect that many FReepers’ consciences at this point are screaming, not whispering.
may get a Christian’s secular nod, leading to the worse of two bad alternatives prevailing.
***God can deal with that. He wants our hearts, and He can use “the worse of two bad alternatives” to teach us His ways.
None of the foregoing subjected the Roman Catholic Church (and by necessary implication each and every other pro-life church) to specific persecution as have BOTH Mittler and Obozo through their respective "health insurance" schemes. Romney's is worse on the persecution question. Mittler required the Roman Catholic Church to provide abortion coverage and sex change surgical coverage and other abominations in policies covering 90-year old nursing home confined, Alzheimer's suffering nuns and priests and Obozo did not. Small difference: minimal advantage to Obozo not that I would be caught alive or dead voting for either of them.
Mittler supports "gay" everything just like Obozo. Both are competing for fudgepackers' best supporter. Nothing to choose there.
Mittler supports turning innocent children over to lavender queens as though they were qualified to be adoptive substitute "parents." So does Obozo.
BOTH Obozo and Mittler are gun grabbers. Both are cpmmotted to farming ordinary folks on taxes to subsidize their megawealthy pals and supporters. Both favor what amounts to a certain path to socialized medicine. Both yearn for cap 'n' trade. Etc., Etc., Etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseam.
BTW, I was talking about latae sententiae excommunication and not damnation. With all due respect, you are no more qualified to instruct me as to what "other serious Catholics say" than I am to instruct you as to what serious Reformed theologians may say or as to what they may think the Bible says. I avoid discussions in which I am called upon to aggravate my fellow FReepers over their respective religious commitments and beliefs. I thank them to return the favor. What suffices for me is that FReepers be people committed consistently to the principles which characterize FR's mission as to matters political. That is not a matter of handicapping political races between utterly acceptable baby-murderers, faggot coddlers, gun grabbers, tax hikers, Demonrats of the open or disguised variety such as this year's two major party nominees, chronically hysterical environmental whackos, etc. It is not a matter of obsessing on which of two utterly unacceptable SOBs nominated by the major parties may be an infinitesimal smidgeon better on this issue or that when BOTH have absolutely unacceptable positions on each and every issue that really matters (i.e not $$$ issues).
You can keep on responding as though there were any possibility whatsoever that I would wind up agreeing with your support of Mittler. There is and will be no such possibility. Mittler = Obozo = Beelzebub = Obozo = Mittler = Baal = Mittler = Obozo = Moloch = Obozo = Mittler. That is and will continue to be my position. I will vote for Tom Hoefling. I do not owe my vote to either Obozo or Mittler and neither will get it. I do not owe my POTUS vote to the GOP as currently constituted and the GOP will not get it. I owe absolutely nothing to the Romney pom pom girls who think I owe them my vote for their candidate. I don't and won't. I also don't claim to speak for God especially not in support of Mittler.
My vote is not a "secular nod." I don't check my Faith at the door of the voting place. However imperfectly, it follows me and is part of me wherever I go.